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Radar Weekly. Serious data for cautious Christians

July 24, 2005.

The magic of Alpha and Harry Potter Christians

Last Saturday children lined up at book stores across the world just before midnight dressed as witches and warlocks anxiously awaiting
the latest story on witchcraft. Parents never allow their kids to be out at midnight except for this special occasion to get the latest
Harry Potter book, the kids were in awe of the mystery of the book and being allowed so late in the dark. The U.K. author is expected
to make over 2 billion dollars on this one.

Northview and other Canadian Churches have their own enchantments - its not one book, its not even the Bible. Its a series of books and videos from the U.K. called The Alpha Course. The course looks Christian at first but on studying it the New Age comes right out. For example,
last week we talked about the "holy spirit " of Alpha. Gumbel claims that the "holy spirit' gave him power surges , at other times
Gumbel claims that surge threw a man across a room while Vineyard Pastor Ellie Mumford ministered. (Southwest London Vineyard Pastor where the popular Winds of worship came from, Brian Doerksen was the music Pastor there at the time).

From reading the Holy Bible one can read that the Holy Spirit is a Person, not a force as the New Agers claim. The Bible calls Him
a "He", a divine Person of the Holy Trinity. As if Alpha wasn't enough, now Northview is thirsting for this "New Wine". New Wine Canada
was called to minster at Northview, though it was a U.K. Pastor who preached. The teaching was a yawner for the most part on love and
forgiveness...but dont think that's where it stops. Just as the first date never tells all of their dark secrets upfront, New Wine Canada
has some awful fermentation that is poisonous toxic.

New Wine Canada is a subsidiary of New Wine International. So what exactly is New Wine about anyways?

http://www.new-wine.org/about_us/Our%20History.htm

New Wine ministries was started by David Pytches, also of the U.K. His main objective was to see "spontaneous expansion" of the
Church through the gifts and power of the 'holy spirit".

The question begging to be asked is what does Pytches think this power is?
Well you are about to go through another dark door of the Holy Trinity Brompton, which offers Pytches books (mysteriously up until Thursday
one could find his name easily in the HTB bookstore, now I can only find his wife's name)

Pytches and the Kansas City Prophets.

David Pytches defends the Kansas City Prophets in his book ,"Some said it thundered". The Kansas City Prophets are a cultist group
, the main men of the movement are Mike Bikle and Paul Cain. David Pytches description of the "holy spirit" is
a new age energy force:

From http://www.letusreason.org/Latrain5.htm

"During a Spiritual warfare conference in Anaheim Feb.1988 “On his (Paul Cain) first visit to Anaheim (to visit John Wimber) in February 1988 Paul saw powerful lights across the room and a strong sense of the presence of God was accompanied by revelations in the word of knowledge. On that occasion an expensive video camera was short-circuited. This was battery operated and no plugged into any outlet. The next night the telephone system was blown out though no one was on the phone at the time.” (Some Said It Thundered, David Pytches, p.52)

Paul Cain claims that the power and the anointing he has is so strong, when he speaks they experience tremendous power surge. Actually all the Kansas city prophets have such power that it affects the environment around them. This is hardly to be equated with the holy Spirit but more like a magnetic force that interrupts other power sources.

Ptyches writes in his book some say it thundered, Mike Bickle told me of a particular night that week when Paul had been prophesying and the power of God came down mightily. Everyone began to sense the “manifest presence of God” powerfully in the room. ... A solemn awe fell over the whole place. Some simply remained sitting still in their seats. Others tiptoed the aisles in trembling silence. Suddenly there was the sound of sirens as two fire engines screeched to a standstill right outside the center. The doors burst open and a number of uniformed firemen with hoses and axes demanded to know where the fire was. Mike shook his head, hardly able to cope with such an abrupt and earthly “landing.” “There is no fire,” he said. “Oh, yes, there's a big one somewhere! Down at the station all the signals possible are going for this place. The circuits have blown and set off the alarm system. There are signs of a tremendous power surge,” said the leading fireman. Hardly waiting in his frenzied rush to find the fire. ... After the meeting Paul turned quietly to Mike and apologized. “I am so sorry about the fire scare. I should have warned you that that does sometimes happen when there is a lot of divine power about!” (Some Said It Thundered, p.52)"

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The nice sermon of love and forgiveness isnt what New Wine is all about, you must dig deeper then that trite sermon to find out what is the real message these men are trying to get across, eventually it will. Everyone should do their own research on this New Wine, starting with
the founder- David Pytches of the U.K.

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July 17, 2005

Fresh Fire ...and now, New Wine.

New ministries that focus on electrical feelings from the "Holy Spirit" calling this anointing "Fresh Fire" and now
they say the "Holy Spirit" is getting Christians drunk with New Wine. These ministries are nothing but frauds,
claiming to know deeper truths of God yet all the while the teachings are opposite to the light of the Bible. These
teachings are darkness yet claiming to be ministers of light (2 Cor. 11)

First, these men are teaching a different "Holy Spirit". Their "Holy Spirit" is a energy flow that disturbs you at
the Alpha "Holy Spirit Weekend". The Bible refers to the Holy Spirit as God, the Spirit. So what God do you have inside
you? Is it the popular "spirit" taught by Alpha or the one that the Bible describes. As you can see, this is very crucial to
where you are with God, the real God. The real Holy Spirit is a He, a Person:

He teaches:

Luke 12:12 - Show Context " For the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say."

John 14:26 - Show Context "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you."

Heb 9:8 - Show Context "the Holy Spirit indicating this, that the way into the Holiest of All was not yet made manifest while the first tabernacle was still standing."

2Pe 1:21 - Show Context "for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit." (Note holy men spoke for God as they were moved, they did not do bizarre manifestations on the floor)

He comforts:

Ac 9:31 - Show Context "Then the churches throughout all Judea, Galilee, and Samaria had peace and were edified. And walking in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit, they were multiplied."

There are more ministries of the Holy Spirit but before one can define them further that person must know that the Holy Spirit is not an energy
force as the new agers teach. Lets see what Nicky Gumbel's definition of the Holy Spirit is:

Nicky Gumbel, talks about Ellie Mumford in the Alpha video series 3, talk 9. (Edited out for Canadians)
He recalls how someone was THROWN ACROSS THE ROOM when Ellie invited the "Holy" spirit to move:

"Ellie Mumford told us a little bit of what she had seen in Toronto...it was obvious that Ellie was just dying to pray for all of us.. then she said 'Now we'll invite the Holy Spirit to come.' and the moment she said that one of the people there was thrown, literally, across the room and was lying on the floor, just howling and laughing....making the most incredible noise....I experienced the power of the Spirit in a way I hadn't experienced for years, like massive electricity going through my body... One of the guys was prophesying. He was just lying there prophesying. . ."

Gumbel recalls his power encounter anointing from John Wimber (a Vineyard pillar)

"A man called John Wimber came to speak at the church … After the talk a very nice American came over to me and said … "Well, is there anything else that you would like us to pray for?" So I said, "Well, what I would really like to pray for is the power of the Spirit in my life" … After he had been praying for about 30 seconds, all I can say is I felt this incredible power - it was like 10,000 volts going through my body. In fact, it was so powerful that after a bit I couldn’t take it any more but I think he had only just got onto the ministry team because he only had one prayer and it was "More power, Lord!" And every time he prayed this prayer, the power increased! So after a bit I couldn’t take it any longer and I started praying against him! I started saying, "No more power, Lord!" But he carried on praying, "More power, Lord!" So eventually there was this shouting match going on in the middle of the room. John Wimber … said, "Take that one out!" So they carried me out through the French windows! And as I was being carried out John Wimber said, "God is giving to that man power to tell people about Jesus Christ". And I have often looked back at that as a very significant moment in my life."

A sinner attending Alpha will hear such a weak gospel that it is highly likely he can make it through the course without being saved.

What "Holy Spirit" is Gumbel listening to? Gumbel wants Catholics and all Churches to join in unity as one Church. The Catholics
are not teaching the gospel, which the Holy Spirit inspired. So any guesses at why Alpha is such a popular movement today?
It is part of the devil's scheme to get a one world religion so that those who hold to the true gospel are out numbered and
counted as hate mongers and trouble makers. The Former Arch Bishop of Canterbury , Carey, claims that we we cannot know for sure that Jesus was resurrected :

"Christians cannot know with the same certainty that He was resurrected." (Carey's book Jesus 2000)

The Bible says if Jesus wasn't raised from the dead then our religion is worth nothing and we are to be pitied above all men for
believing a lie. Guess what Church chose Carey to be the top President? Anglican. Guess what Church Nicky Gumbel is a Curate of? Anglican. Anglicans are united with Catholics with the alliance of "Anglican Roman Catholic International Commission (ARCIC)"

If the top dog can be an unbeliever, then for sure the Curates can spew any nonsense they want without retribution. Gumbel is also the head CEO of
the Alpha course and Northview Church is hosting the all Canada Alpha leaders seminar. I used to look up to Northview leaders as if God ordained them but after sending warning after warning I see that they are puppets put in place and as long as they nod their heads as Yes men then they are safe and comfortable in their seat. They have very little fear of God and even thumb their nose at truth. I should have never took them seriously.

Psalms 119:98-100 98 "You, through Your commandments, make me wiser than my enemies; For they are ever with me. 99 I have more understanding than all my teachers, For Your testimonies are my meditation. 100 I understand more than the ancients, Because I keep Your precepts"

New Wine being served at Northview.

This is just what I have been warning about for almost four years and now it has started. Northview hired a Pastor who visited the Toronto Blessing several times, invited Jack Frost of Shiloh Place ministries where people have fallen and have done strange things on the floor, a wholesale buyout to Alpha and now he has invited New Wine ministries to do a revival meeting at Northview. Upon studying New Wine's web sites there is a strange vagueness about them. They offer books but then you click on the link and you dont get much info just a phone number to call if you want to order. All the connecting links are pro Alpha of course and mostly within the UK, Druidville.

Remember the Bible warns us in 2 Corinthians 11 that the devil's men will look "like angels of light". The only way to tell is to test the doctrine, which Northview vehemently opposes to.

Mark Melluish, a Vicar from the UK, was preaching at the New Wine revival. Stephanie Reddicopp was the singer. I remember one encounter I had
with Stephanie while she was single. When she was still single I was at Northview just after a wedding reception all dressed up and I had one red rose
that was of little use to me as I walked outside to the parking lot. I saw Stephanie and softly said "this is for you" handing her the rose and then walked away.
I dont know if she remembers but it shows that Im not all full of rebuke and nothing else. I could be just as cold as the leaders and not care about truth and where the Church is going but I just cant bring myself to that level. These are the verses the New Wine advocates use:

1 Samuel Chapter 1

9." So Hannah rose up after they had eaten in Shiloh, and after they had drunk. Now Eli the priest sat upon a seat by a post of the temple of the LORD. 10 And she was in bitterness of soul, and prayed unto the LORD, and wept sore. 11 And she vowed a vow, and said, O LORD of hosts, if thou wilt indeed look on the affliction of thine handmaid, and remember me, and not forget thine handmaid, but wilt give unto thine handmaid a man ^F5 child, then I will give him unto the LORD all the days of his life, and there shall no razor come upon his head. 12 And it came to pass, as she continued ^F6 praying before the LORD, that Eli marked her mouth. 13 Now Hannah, she spake in her heart; only her lips moved, but her voice was not heard: therefore Eli thought she had been drunken. 14 And Eli said unto her, How long wilt thou be drunken? put away thy wine from thee. 15 And Hannah answered and said, No, my lord, I am a woman of a sorrowful ^F7 spirit: I have drunk neither wine nor strong drink, but have poured out my soul before the LORD. 16 Count not thine handmaid for a daughter of Belial: for out of the abundance of my complaint ^F8 and grief have I spoken hitherto.

These "men of god" think that Hannah was drunk in the spirit when in fact if she was drunk it would be considered a evil thing as she says in verse 16:

"I have drunk neither wine nor strong drink, but have poured out my soul before the LORD. 16 Count not thine handmaid for a
daughter of Belial..."

Here is another verse they use:

Acts 2

"7 Then they were all amazed and marveled, saying to one another, "Look, are not all these who speak Galileans? 8 And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born? 9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites, those dwelling in Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya adjoining Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretans and Arabs--we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God." 12 So they were all amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, "Whatever could this mean?" 13 Others mocking said, "They are full of new wine."

14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, raised his voice and said to them, "Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and heed my words. 15 For these are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day"

The context is that the people heard the Apostles speaking in actual country languages and were amazed. They couldnt believe what they were seeing and
some mocked saying they were drunk, which Peter denied. But Randy Clark of the Vineyard (he started the Toronto Blessing) said " I think they were
drunk. They were drunk! Blah blah (acts like a madman while people cheer him on) I gave this tape and many other quotes to the leaders at Northview
before Alpha started there and before Rees was pastor. They ignored the warnings again.

Here is another verse they use:

Ephesians 5:

17 Therefore do not be unwise, but understand what the will of the Lord is. 18 And do not be drunk with wine, in which is dissipation; but be filled with the Spirit, 19 speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord, 20 giving thanks always for all things to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ,

These "men of god" say - see they were drunk being filled with the spirit. These verses say nothing of this in fact it starts off saying "do not be unwise" then
goes on not to be drunk, which the Bible considers a major sin.

So is there any room in the Bible for acting like a drunk, or being drunk in the spirit? Ill give you Bible verses and the opportunity to listen to God, not men:

1 Corinthians 6:

9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, ^F14 nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

1 Corinthians 14- are we to act as mad man like the Toronto Blessing?

23 Therefore if the whole church comes together in one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those who are uninformed or unbelievers, will they not say that you are out of your mind?

<>33 For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints... 40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

These guys who fall, laugh, act drunk, act like animals are in a different spirit. This really a set up from the devil as he laughs on
watching Christians accept this due to their "no fear" stance of the Gospel. The Bible says God is the author of peace, and wants
the service to be done decently and in order so that unbelievers will not see us as madmen.

They claim that the Holy Spirit causes these manifestations yet all the while shrugging off the only sin that is not forgiven-
The blaspheme of Him. Look up the word blaspheme in the dictionary and then the verses that have to do with that sin that
the devil wants us to commit , with incredible deceit. American Heritage Dictionary meaning of blaspheme:

To speak of (God or a sacred entity) in an irreverent, impious manner.
To revile; execrate. (Brackets theirs-American Heritage dictionary)

Some Christian authorities claim that the unforgivable sin is a ongoing denial of the Holy Spirit's work and the end result will be to never know Jesus as Lord and Savior thus hell is the expected conclusion. Anyone who has read commentaries from popular Christian scholars will admit there are many different interpretations from so called experts, the best way to study the Bible is to take a Vines Greek dictionary, a Strong's concordance and look up the meaning to the verses yourself, with prayer and the intent to know God's truth. Vines and Strongs are not commentaries but dictionaries so you wont have their opinion.

Looking at the passage one should decide- is Jesus talking about an ongoing rejection of the Holy Spirit or.... speaking evil of the Holy Spirit's work? Here is the passages:

Matthew 12:22-37 22 Then one was brought to Him who was demon-possessed, blind and mute; and He healed him, so that the blind and mute man both spoke and saw. 23 And all the multitudes were amazed and said, "Could this be the Son of David?" 24 Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, "This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons." 25 But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26 If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? 27 And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. 28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you. 29 Or how can one enter a strong man's house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house. 30 He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad. 31 "Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come

Here is another example of an England preacher persauding people to drink this "New Wine":

From johnscotland.org

"working with the Anglican Organization called “Faith in the City”. The project was brought to the attention of the Archbishop of the Church of England, and John’s project became their Flagship. John was presented before the Queen of England and Prince Charles to receive recognition for their work. The Lord brought in an excess of a million dollars from mainly the business sector.

In April of 1994, a prophet called Bobby Connor prophesied a new anointing coming to John & Jean, and in November of 1994, John went up to a prophetic conference in Toronto, Canada. In that conference, the Lord overpowered John with His Holy Spirit and with an anointing of intoxication and drunkenness and John was set apart to be a sign & wonder to the church. John now travels extensively throughout the world, imparting the New Wine of the Holy Spirit to those who are thirsty"

Here is what this New Wine looks like, click this link to see John Scotland in action

I suggest Northview members call for the resignation of all the leaders who supported Alpha or the Toronto Blessing even though they had evidence of
this drunkness and craziness at their meetings.

July 10, 2005

Is the Catholic religion Christian? Well Billy and Franklin Graham seems to think so, Campus Crusade insists on it as well. Chuck Colson
of Prison Fellowship married a Catholic and has persuaded his peers to sign the document "Evangelicals and Catholics Together" which
heralds the common faith the two have. Editors of major Christian magazines accept the Pope as well. (See new stories for info)

http://wayoflife.org/fbns/fridaynews/news/2005/fridaynews050422.html
http://wayoflife.org/fbns/fridaynews/news/2005/fridaynews050506.html

Evangelicals who signed the document:

Dr. Gerald L. Bray (Beeson Divinity School)
Dr. Bill Bright (Campus Crusade for Christ)
Dr. Harold O. J. Brown (Trinity Evangelical Divinity School)
Mr. Charles Colson (Prison Fellowship)
Bishop William C. Frey (Episcopal Church)
Dr. Timothy George (Beeson Divinity School)
Dr. Os Guinness (The Trinity Forum)
Dr. Kent R. Hill (Eastern Nazarene College)
The Rev. Max Lucado (Oak Hills Church of Christ, San Antonio, Texas)
Dr. T. M. Moore (Chesapeake Theological Seminary)
Dr. Richard Mouw (Fuller Theological Seminary)
Dr. Mark A. Noll (Wheaton College)
Mr. Brian F. O'Connell (Interdev)
Dr. Thomas Oden (Drew University)
Dr. James I. Packer (Regent College, British Columbia)
Dr. Timothy R. Phillips (Wheaton College)
Dr. John Rodgers (Trinity Episcopal School for Ministry)
Dr. John Woodbridge (Trinity Evangelical Divinity School)

These "great men of God' are about to be put to extreme shame. In the archive there is an article on the Illuminati, the secret society also know
as skull and cross bones that set up the rise of Hitler. Hitler was a devout Catholic. Let me write that again- Hitler was a devout Catholic. Hitler
praying at a rally in Vienna:

Above is a page from the Nazi children's book, Der Giftpilz (The Poisonous Mushroom). The caption reads, "When you see a cross, remember the gruesome murder of the Jews on Golgotha..."

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Hitler leaving a Catholic Church

“There has never been anything more grandiose on the earth than the hierarchical organization of the Catholic Church. I transferred much of this organization into my own party.” - Adolph Hitler - (The Nazi Persecution of the Churches" by J.S. Conway - Pgs. 25, 26 & 162)

Adolf Hitler converses with the Papal Nuncio, Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, at a New Year's reception in Berlin. (January 1, 1935)
Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo held a birthday gala for Hitler soon
after this picture was taken. The Archbishops held a birthday gala for Hitler every year until the war ended.

"On February 10, 1939, Pius XI died, at the age of 81. [Vatican Secretary of State Eugenio] Pacelli, then 63, was elected Pope by the College of Cardinals in just three ballots, on March 2. He was crowned on March 12, on the eve of Hitler's march into Prague. Between his election and his coronation he held a crucial meeting with the German cardinals. Keen to affirm Hitler publicly, he showed them a letter of good wishes which began, "To the Illustrious Herr Adolf Hitler." Should he, he asked them, style the Führer "Most Illustrious"? He decided that that might be going too far. He told the cardinals that Pius XI had said that keeping a papal nuncio in Berlin "conflicts with our honor." But his predecessor, he said, had been mistaken. He was going to maintain normal diplomatic relations with Hitler. The following month, at Pacelli's express wish, Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, the Berlin nuncio, hosted a gala reception in honor of Hitler's 50th birthday. A birthday greeting to the Führer from the bishops of Germany would become an annual tradition until the war's end."
--- From text excerpted from John Cornwell's "Hitler's Pope" and posted at. http://emperors-clothes.com/vatican/hitlers.htm

poo Catholic clergy and Nazi officials, including Joseph Goebbels (far right) and Wilhelm Frick (second from right), give the Nazi salute. Germany, date uncertain.
[Photo source, Holocaust Encyclopedia,]

poo3 Priests give Hitler salute at a Catholic youth
rally in the Berlin-Neukolln stadium in August 1933.

po4 Croatian Ustashi fuehrer Ante Pavelic giving Nazi salute (far left) with Archbishop Alojzije Stepinac (far right) and other Catholic Church leaders

poo5 A Cardinal marches with the German Nazis

A religious leader, apparently Cardinal Michael Faulhaber, marches between rows of SA men at a Nazi rally in Munich.

Croatian Ustashi dictator Ante Pavelic with Franciscan monks. The Franciscan order was active in the genocide against Serbs, Jews and Romanians.

The recent deceased Pope John Paul with Arafat in his younger years:
pope

In the early 1940's, a young Polish salesman, employed by I.G. Farben Chemical Company (manufacturer of cyanide gas) 1 sold cyanide to the Nazis, for use in Auschwitz. He also worked as a chemist manufacturing the cyanide gas that exterminated millions of Jews and other peoples in the very heart of the Auschwitz extermination camp. Fearing for his life after the war, he took refuge in the Catholic church (cult) and was ordained a priest in late 1946. In 1958, he was ordained Poland's youngest bishop. After the thirty day reign and assassination of his predecessor, he assumed the papacy as Pope John Paul II 2 He controlled an organization in America, called the Jewish Federation and one of its many branches, the Cult Awareness Network which kidnaps and "deprograms" Christians and other victims. The Pope's Cult Awareness Network is a continuation of Hitler's "Ministry of Cults" 3 during World War II, designed to destroy Judaism, Christianity and other religions, other than Catholicism. Hitler and his entire staff, including the S.S. were all Catholics. Their desire - a world for Catholics only. Why is the Pope so friendly with the former Muslim leader? If you still have enough awe left to your shock, here is a website for you. Keep
in mind that the Quran devotes an entire Chapter to Mary. The nineteenth Chapter of the Quran is titled "Mary".

The current Pope, Ratzinger:

ratz

The current Pope Ratzinger was a Nazi Youth and served as a soldier guarding the BMW plant that was manufacturing warplane
engines.

So if Hitler couldnt take the money with him, just where did all that money and treasure go after they were stolen from the Jews?
Its in the Vatican's coffers. Here is a recent court order for Holocaust survivors to pursue stolen money and other belongings:

http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1113827719517
Just in time for the picking of a new pope, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals decided Monday that Holocaust survivors can pursue the Vatican Bank for profiting from a Nazi puppet regime.

To answer the question, are Catholics Christians....and the answer is NO!. They are deceived by the devil, just as Mormons and
JW's and other false religions who say "Lord Lord" and just as in Matthew Chapter 7 Jesus said that many will come to Him on
Judgment Day and say - Lord we cast out demons, we did miracles, we did good works in your name. Jesus reply: Away from
Me you who work iniquity into everlasting punishment!.

Jesus said that He is the only way into heaven, Catholics say just believe in God and youre saved.
Jesus said hell is an eternal torment, a lake of fire that you cant escape. Catholics teach you can escape hell by paying them money.
Jesus said our good deeds cant save us, they are like filthy rags. Catholics teach that by obeying the sacraments you are saved.
Jesus called His mother by the regular vinacular "women". Jesus told had to scold His Mother even as a boy.
Catholics say Mary is "the Great Mother" and hold her as Divine.
Catholics killed Christians during the reformation , those who left the Roman Church were tortured severely.
Catholics think that Jesus gets crucified again during the mass (transubstantiation) , yet the chapter of Hebrews says Jesus paid the sacrifice once and never again, furthermore Jesus Himself said to do communion in REMEMBERANCE of Him, not as if
He was being crucified again.

Catholics have done and are doing great atrocities in Jesus name, and we as Christians can not go along with their deceit. To side with them shows contempt for the Holy commands of God and allows the world another accusation against Christians that isnt true.

The Jews are the apple of God's eyes. There are few things that pleases God more then to see a Jew come to Him. We as Christians
didnt throw the Law away, rather we know that no one can fulfill the Law and the prophets had talked about Jesus coming. The Jew's dont see that even though the wording of the Messiah is singular, they take it as plural to avoid Christ. Jesus quoted the Old Testament and so does the Apostles. Christians are not against the Torah, rather we know that we can not be good enough for God, for
God is prefect and cant have sin dwell before Him. His Son, Jesus, chose to be "the Lamb of God that takes away our sin". The love that God has for us is great and He demonstrated that clearly. So my Jewish friend, dont look at Christians as the same as Catholics for we are so different as a Jew is to a Gentile. Read Isaiah Chapter 52 to 55 ---the prophet,foretells of Jesus the suffering Servant. Just as the Jews brushed Lamb's blood on the door posts so the angel of death would pass by in Exodus, there is a greater redemption that will cause God's wrath to pass over you on Judgement Day, Jesus paid the price for all your sins on the cross and He arose from the dead after three days. He went up to Glory and said His return will be seen in the skies with thousands of angels for Judgement of the whole world.

The Holocaust was set up by the devil to wipe out Jews and Christians (many Christians were killed aside the Jews too but get little print)
in books) The devil knows that the Jews are the apple of God's eye and want to stab them anyway possible. But they err in that they
dont read the Torah close enough (Isaiah 53 is often ignored by Rabbis for its revelation of the Messiah). True Christians love the Jews, and almost envy them for the love God has published for them in His word. If only they knew the blessings that could be theirs, if they turned to Jesus.

Ill sign off with a warning to all Christians- dont think your Church isnt going to be targeted by a secret satanic group for infiltration,
look at the deceit above this is how it happens. When you laugh at the warnings and love your programs and fellowship more then
truth from God then you have lost the battle from the enemy already. Lets see how this "New wine" ferments at Northview.

July 3, 2005

" If you are in a card game and you dont know who the patsie is, chances are you are the patsie." Warren Buffet

We are in a war with the enemy and you if dont know what his latest schemes are, chances are you have bought one of them.

The Bible warns us to be vigilant against the devil for he prowls around seeking who he can devour next. If you are a Christian
then that enemy is seeking is you. If you have been more concerned with your home, career, vacation and family over
the years then truth from Scripture then there is a good chance you let vigilance slide and accepted evils.

People are deceived by the hords, take Word Faith followers for example. They pay these preachers millions every year, yet
these men are preaching to doctrines of devils, in effect a devil telling him what to say and he says it. That is well documented in this website, they contradict the Bible and are leading many astray from the true faith.

Take athiests, they are all around. How it could be that someone could look at such a complex universe and not admit there is
a Creator? Do they look at a car or a jet plane and think it evolved over time and by chance, with no designer ? An intellegent design
is evidence of an intellegent designer. It is very stupid to say cars or planes evolved by themselves over time, it is more idiotic to say
this about the universe. There is a difference between a lego block and a computer micro-chip... and the structure
of this world is far more complicated then anything we know of. The block head athiests choose to be so. They would rather have apes, time and chance then a Creator for that would be the start of the truth, which they choose not to have. Just a few weeks ago the State of Illinois was reconsidering evolution being taught in their educational Institutes and set up a debate between a well known Athiest and
Creationist...the Athiest backed out calling the debate a waste of time. They always act intellegent but really they are not.

The Bible calls him a fool who says there is no God, and this is percisely what they are...fools.

Christians are beyond this foolishness and walk by the fool who thinks his car, or universe evolved from nothing over time
with no designer. The Christian walks by the fool who is deceived by the devil, worshipping the sun, earth and measuring
energy flows.

We as Christians deal with weightier matters, the truth of God- for we have found the truth of man to be a failure, riddled with lies
and with no solid answers for real life.

The truth of God is complex as is the universe. Beyond this curtain of truth, deeper into it that could never be known by the Athiest,
reveals the One who created what we see. We find more about Him from reading His manual, the Bible, we find out He is
loving, also we know He is judgemental though with a perfect scale of what is right in His mind to base that judgement on. He is
very forgiving as well. He also hates sin. We read that He will punish unrepent evil men in a lake of fire for eternal torment. This
bothers us greatly, yet its true. What is more troublesome to your editor is what He is willing to inflict on his children for correction
and purification, this is bothersome and hard to understand. Look around you, some people have it really bad yet they love Jesus.
We dont like many things that the Bible says but we accept it.

The Bible also gives more insight that there is a evil hord of fallen angels who once served God but were duped by lucifer to
revolt. These evil angels are at war with God's holy angels . They fight in the heavenlies with fierce and sometimes lengthy battles.
The enemy also fights for the minds of humans, which he wins so often. Its very sad. Yes, even the minds of some Christians have
bought some of his schemes. They are very clever and seem good at first.

God does give us a hope in His manual, this war will end in victory for God and those who loved God
and His truth, they will enter heaven for eternal bliss.

The Bible also warns us to watch out for satan's tricks that lure us into a false type of faith. Alpha, promise keepers,
Purpose driven life do not share the same character of the Gospel Jesus preached. Hype, compromise, crowd pleasing
is exactly opposite of what Jesus shared, in fact at one point in Jesus ministry when large crowds were all around Him
He preached such a hard message that almost everyone walked away within minutes. Some said "This is a hard saying
who can hear it". Jesus said if you love your life then you will lose it but if you lose your life then you will find it. Jesus
also said that if you dont deny yourself and take up your cross everyday then you are not His follower.
How's that in comparison to easy Warren's message, or the "just ask Jesus in your heart" quick gospel? The limp
wet noodle gospel of Alpha is so embedded with New Age that its hard to think of the Biblical Jesus or the
seriousness of following Him.

Many Christians trust these programs just as Mr Sinclair who kept asking Mel Gibson for prayer. He would show
up at Mel's Church asking Mel if he could worship with him or at Mel's house asking for prayer. He thought, since Mel made
such a slendid (based on a Nun's vision riddled with errors) movie about God that he could trust Mel and ask for prayer.
Mel filed a court order to keep him away and now he is facing a possible three years in jail. The guy just wanted to pray with Mel!
Well the movie is over, Mel made his millions so keep away.

Christians trust these programs thinking they can get help from them, but like that poor man they find out that once the show
is over dont ask for more. The hype can only be generated so long and the plastic smiles dont last near long enough.

June 26, 2005

Please allow me to talk about Alpha again for a bit. We know from Gumbel's mouth that he loves the Toronto Blessing, even though
they shake, growl act like demons on the ground at that former Toronto Vineyard. The Vineyard are still closely linked to that blessing
even some of their best musicians and speakers still get invited and do workshops there and at other venues. The Toronto Blessing has a
sister city that loves its weird doings on the Church floor, that city is none other then Abbotsford BC Canada which has been more then
accepting of this diabolical movement.

Allow me to remind you that the previous Toronto Vineyard didnt get that "blessing" until some
of its Pastors attended Word Faith seminars where popular false teachers had people on the floor doing weird stuff...they caught the
fire like so many easily do, even Justyn Rees told me that he wouldnt refuse such strange behavior as he thought it to be of God in his email
to me. In what context did Rees say this? Well I warned about a false teacher he was inviting to Northview, Jack Frost. I sent all the elder's
and Pastors an email with details about Frost's ministry with the email titled "...Jack Frost nipping at your door",

Shiloh Place Ministries. On Frost's website he claims people fall down during
his seminars and other bizarre manifestations. This quote from Shiloh Place:

"Others around me began to laugh or cry, and many fell to the ground under the presence of God. As I waited, and then as one of the prayer ministers prayed for me, I felt an unfamiliar warmth spread from deep within me, and a heavy sense of God’s peaceful presence in the midst of the ‘holy chaos’ around me. ... As I yielded to it, I fell backward and a ministry helper gently lowered me to the floor. Suddenly a sense of relief and joy flooded my heart – He had answered my prayer and was showing me His love. I began to laugh and could not stop; and then as the unconditional acceptance of God flooded me, I began to cry. I laughed and cried alternately for over an hour. That conference became a landmark for me, and the doorway to deep and lasting healing. "

That story may seem alright to some, however if you study the Toronto Blessing more closely you will find that they do more then laugh and cry. They
bark and act like animals on the ground. They scream, growl and yell very loud. They claim that the Holy Spirit is doing this, however they should watch what
they say because the only sin not forgiven is to Blaspheme the Holy Spirit. Look up the definition for blaspheme and see if it fits for Toronto Blessing. Frost's minisitry is related to the Toronto Blessing and he does seminars at the Toronto Vineyard and other branches that accept the "blessing" from it.
I asked Rees if he saw anything strange happen at the Jack Frost seminar he attended years ago, he replied no, but if manifestations should
occur then he wouldnt refuse. ( I have a string of emails from Rees here)
What Northview should do is ask all its Elders and Pastors questions on this and other false teachings and movements and then fire those
who would teach or accept those evil doctrines. You might have one or two that are left.

Ill be bold and stand for truth forfeiting my salvation if Im wrong- The Toronto Blessing
manifestations as barking, and other strange behavoir are not of God, most are from the devil.

Back to the Toronto Blessing, it spreads far. The "Pensecola Revival" that has people shaking madly in their pew also started from the
Toronto Blessing here is a web page that documents that.

Will you take the time to study Holy Trinity Brompton and Alpha more seriously? Is your all on the line for Jesus? Really? From what I witness its money,
your mortgage getting paid that is more important. I dont trust Rees' discernment at all, remember in other sermons he has said
that the wise men used Astrology to find the baby Jesus (they used the Bible prophecies, there is a night and day difference. See the Archive for Dec 19 2004)

Justyn also called the dance of an African man named "Machine gun" dancing up and down wildly , Rees called it "perfect praise" , he then had the Nothview Church dance to a children's song right after. Baby steps into the Blessing? Maybe, or not, still its not trust worthy.

An Elder from Northview said that he wouldnt mind if people started to fall on the floor at Northview and the head discernment Elder, Graham
Nickel was given data on Alpha years ago and he still lets it run on, just what kind of discernment is that? This is about as easy as it
gets in spotting the devil working at Toronto Blessing and the Mecca of Alpha- the Holy Trinity Brompton.

Introduction

The first part of this site will be my story on what I experienced while working for Henry Hinn Ministries in Richmond, B.C. This web site will include important facts on the Alpha Course, its strong connections to the Vineyard's Toronto Blessing. There will be a list of heretical teachers shown that is very long and will be exposed one at a time, some with quotes, wave files, or even video of what has been taught. Your author didn't write this to point fingers and make myself of something in the Church, in fact few people who read this expose really who I am. Rather your author is a willing "pen" used by God. Keep in mind there is no man that is righteous apart from God's grace, including me. This verse should be in all our hearts; "Let God be true and every man a liar". Isn't it true that those who we thought were mighty men of God turned out to be just normal or not as good as we expected. Looking up to man is always a disappointment.

This book is offered to the reader for free; freely we have received, freely we should give. Hopefully more Christian authors will offer their books online for free. With the the internet one can share their book online for free or at the most pennies--after all if it is really for the Lord why charge for it, why limit the number of people that can afford to read it? Honestly there is only one thing I ask in return for the many hours of data and effort put in this web site- I ask for those who are close to Jesus and pray often to Him, to remember me and my family in your prayers. Exposing the enemy doesn't come without conflict, harsh battles in the spirit realm but also from "Christians" . Many dont want to believe that they have been living a lie for many years, its too hard to take. Its easier to ignore the evidence and lash out.

The Bible does give room for naming and exposing false teachers. Jesus constantly warned of them and we say this at the start to dispel the fears of a typical charismatic who are trained to shun any proof against 'a man of God'. Apostle Paul hadno problem naming false teachers. Jesus had no hesitation of openly rebuking heresy. Here Paul mentions some false teachers by name in a warning letter to Timothy, Jesus also warned about these charlatans:

2 Timothy 2:16-18

16 Avoid godless, foolish discussions that lead to more and more ungodliness. 17 This kind of talk spreads like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are examples of this. 18 They have left the path of truth, preaching the lie that the resurrection of the dead has already occurred; and they have undermined the faith of some."

Matthew 7:15

""Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. "

Acts 20: 29-31

"29 For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves. 31 Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears."

For the type A personalities that cant wait for proof here is some right now that clearly demonstrates the Vineyard/Toronto Blessing is a heresy. Click this following links for a glimpse of what is going on in the Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship (TACF):

A new Vineyard CD is out called 'Winds of Worship Vol.3: Live from the Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship. Why would the Vineyard cut a CD with this crazy group? Because Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship used to be called the Toronto Airport Vineyard until things got out of hand with the people barking, shaking, slain. They thought it was a move of God and called it "The Toronto Blessing". Things got out of hand so the Vineyard tried to make it look like they separated from the Toronto Church however, there really was no separation at all.

Previously to this release the Vineyard tried to make it look like they had nothing to do with the controversial Toronto Church, yet easy research proved strong ties between the Toronto Church with the rest of the Vineyard. Several Vineyard Churches invited "Toronto Blessing preachers" as guest speakers, this has been going on for years. In turn, the Toronto Church invited Vineyard Pastors as guest speakers.

Now, the Vineyard cut a CD with the Toronto Church clearly showing that they still are linked to the Toronto Blessing Church. The CD features popular Vineyard artists like David Ruis from Vineyard Christian Fellowship Kelowna, B.C. This project was the work of the national Vineyard Music Group.

Remember people making animal noises, shaking, uncontrolled laughter, drunkenness are practiced in this Church. To be linked to it even remotely should be of great concern. Its necessary to repeat as many cannot make the connection between these groups, it seems too bizarre.

If you clicked on the video links who would see Toronto Blessing "Pastors" acting like a chicken, screaming "I shot the sheriff", saying "You would think you walked into a mad house or something" ...people shaking on the ground ecetera.

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The Alpha Course is linked to the Toronto Blessing as well!

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Nicky Gumbel, who wrote the course, is a guest speaker at the bizarre Toronto Vineyard and he fully endorses the Toronto blessing movement as of God repeatedly in his videos and preaching, even going as so far to claim God threw a man across the room in a meeting--evidence given later. Gumbel's home church, Holy Trinity Brompton (HTB), is known for strange phenomena such as slain in the spirit, drunk in the spirit, laughing....to the point of providing taxi service for the one who are too "drunk in the spirit" to drive home.

Gumbel's call to ministry happened when the Late John Wimber ( Vineyard pings in again) anointed Gumbel. Wimber prayed "more power" on Gumbel. He couldn't take anymore power and prayed "no more power". A prayer shouting match occurred in the church between the two. The senior pastor of the Toronto Vineyard, John Arnott, spoke twice as a guest speaker in Gumbel's Church-Holy Trinity Brompton.

Why dont people in North America know about this? In the past, the Alpha books and videos from the UK include the Toronto Blessing and strange behavior such as the man being thrown across the room, however these videos and books were scrubbed, then sent to Canada and the United States. It has been said that Gumbel is simply spreading the Toronto Blessing into North American Churches by means of the Alpha course, much like the Trojan Horse.

The Alpha course initially looks like a great Bible Study that the unchurched could feel comfortable in, however at the end of the course the Toronto Blessing start to show up during the last phase of the course-The Holy Spirit Weekend. During this time many people have reported the "Holy Spirit" causing 'feelings of electricity', 'heat flashes' , 'uncontrolled laughter', 'uncontrolled crying', 'shaking', 'chest being pulled up'.

With no doubt, the Canadian and USA Churches are being conditioned to accept the Alpha course, and the Alpha course fully accepts the Toronto Blessing. This path is leading to a new era in the Church, one that will be open to the bizarre behavior as mentioned above as from the Holy Spirit. Some questions must be asked, what is the only sin not forgiven? What does the Toronto Blessing say the Holy Spirit is doing? Is the enemy dressed as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11) in these strange new doctrines? Gumbel might be confident that his "10,000 volts" electrifying anointing he received from Wimber is evidence of God's power, many-like us, would say he is deceived.

The Holy Spirit is not a energy force, the Holy Spirit of the Bible is a Person, part of the Holy Trinity. Interestingly enough to include is that Gumbel claims former New Age proponents grasp the "Holy Spirit" part of the Alpha course quicker then people from traditional Churches (quotes from Gumbel on this statement and others given later). When you check out what Alpha graduates say about the Holy Spirit- "feelings of electricity" , "heat flashes" etc we start to see one piece of the puzzle. Isn't it odd that there are no Biblical accounts of this type of movement from the Holy Spirit, yet we are told that the Alpha course is safe. A glass of fresh water that has a drop of cyanide poison in it looks safe as well. We must study the contents.

Gumbel is heavily into the Toronto Blessing (animal noises, shaking etc) and imported it from Canada to the United Kingdom along with top Vineyard Pastors, the Mumfords who are the head Pastors of the Southwest London Vineyard...the very Church where Brian Doerksen served and cut the CD "Winds of Worship London" a very famous CD that has songs like "Come now is the time to worship".

Nicky Gumbel, talks about Ellie Mumford in the Alpha video series 3, talk 9.
He recalls how someone was THROWN ACROSS THE ROOM when Ellie invited the "Holy" spirit to move:

"Ellie Mumford told us a little bit of what she had seen in Toronto...it was obvious that Ellie was just dying to pray for all of us.. then she said 'Now we'll invite the Holy Spirit to come.' and the moment she said that one of the people there was thrown, literally, across the room and was lying on the floor, just howling and laughing....making the most incredible noise....I experienced the power of the Spirit in a way I hadn't experienced for years, like massive electricity going through my body... One of the guys was prophesying. He was just lying there prophesying. . ."

The main focus for this is the ‘Holy Spirit Weekend-Away’. People doing Alpha are told to expect all manner of things might happen to them. We are told,

Gumbel's Church (HTB) is linked with Benny Hinn's TV station "The God Channel" in the UK, they place programs on that station. These facts alone should cause alarm siren to go off. Its a sad time friend, the enemy has infiltrated the Church. When pastors are warned they ignore the facts and steam roll ahead with these programs, no matter what damage is done to people. I warned Pastors with exhuastive evidence on the Alpha course, yet not one responded. Does your Church host Alpha? Do you love Jesus enough to stand against these heretical movements, or do you love the movements more then Jesus? Its time for people to put their money where there mouth is and stand up for truth. After reading the evidence there will be only one reason for not taking a stand- fear of man over fear of God.

From studying these false movements the thing that is outstanding is the way the enemy will look like a Christian . No pitch fork, no satanic bible but a smiling clean cut person who will quote scriptures from time to time yet lives a lukewarm Christian life is a good candidate. These are some clues but not all: * Foolish talk or obscene jokes * Greed, love of money* Cold personality * Seems nice but doesn't hold scripture as authority.

Here are some pictures of satanic rock bands using the satanic symbol. One time while I was trying to cast a demon out of
a man the demon would growl and make the satanic sign in my face with his hand. Beside the
Ill place "Christian" preachers who teach prosperity, "holy" laughter and drunkeness, and other blasphemes:
All photos with the satanic sign are compliments of torontoblessing.com

In fact, if you dont believe the author of Alpha is connected to these heresies, just type in "Nicky Gumbel Toronto Blessing " on any search engine and youll get tonnes of reading material unequivocally exposing Gumbel as a heretic in Pastors clothing.

A epidemic of lukewarm Christianity has hit the Church so to sharpen your faith a little here is a list of verses that itching ears Pastors dont preach on anymore :

v) Well I dont do those things but I will hang out or eat with a brother who does, out of love :

1 Corinthians 5 9 I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. 10 Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner--not even to eat with such a person.

                                                                vi) Dont judge or you will be judged...youre so judgemental!:

12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside [unbelievers]? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore "put away from yourselves the evil person."

I can freely admit that Im not perfect and sin everyday but despite popular beliefs there are some sins that condemn a person to hell. ( 1 Corinthians 6 above is one. Ill give more Bible verses later) Jesus said "be perfect just as your heavenly Father is perfect". He wants us to strive for holiness, to get there as high as we can...not as a payment for our sins but in gratitude for all Jesus has done and is doing for us. If Jesus warns against sin and someone suggests to do a sin, obviously we are going to side with Jesus...even if it means offending some people. Im going to offend a lot of people but its only because there is a lot of false teaching not because I want to cause a raucous. As a man who sins, this is a hard tight rope to balance on- I cant agree with the heretics and I dont want to judge unmercifully as to put myself in judgement for the way I judged. Most importantly- I cant back down as we are called to warn others if they are in danger.

Jesus intent on judging verses become clear as one reads the whole Bible- i) we are not to condemn people, that is God's job ii) we are to avoid eating with a brother who is walking in unrepentant sin and we are even called to rebuke them (2 Timothy 3:15) How many people did you rebuke this year? If the Bible claims judgement on a sin should we pamper it? We can not, anymore, go along with something God Himself condemns. To respect a command of God is not being judgemental rather it is being obedient. These verses are shocking to most Christians as they are used to 'warm fuzzies' preaching but it is a fact that Jesus warned about hell more then He talked about heaven; there are many verses in the Bible that seem negative and very hard to read. So what will you do with them? If you ignore them out of disdain you may have a false gospel in your mind, or even a false religion.

Sure God is love, but lets not forget that He did create hell and He will cast people into a real lake of fire for eternal torment. Is this the God you serve? If you make up your own god and worship it then you would be guilty of idolatry. We must be certain we are not in a false religion. Even if the Church you attend has a cross on the building you can still be worshipping a false god that was made up.

we are guilty of sharing a gospel that doesn't include that they are sinners and need to repent. Jesus and the Apostles made clear in their presentations that repentance from sins must be made. We dont talk about hell either because we are ashamed to mention it. This is what we say ; "God has a awesome plan for your life. Ask Jesus into your heart and you will be saved".

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Dear reader, we must accept humbly God's word. To hate His word is a caution to be stepping on the enemy's ground or an indication that a belief in a 'gospel' that isn't the gospel. The true gospel includes repentance of sins and commitment to Christ.

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Spiritual battles take place in the heavenlies but we can only deal with the earthly realm therefore we must use the Bible as our weapon to cut between doctrines of demons and truth. For some this may be a struggle depending on where you are at in life. For those who have accepted false teachings the battle will be greater. Looking back at the time line from my research on Church history and thinking of how the devil is operating behind all this one can see that it was a very clever plan. This plan works on decades and even centuries to effect the believers in Jesus to steer them off the narrow road. If you are looking for deceit to be as obvious as bearded man at the airport with a ticking sound coming from his suitcase with the words 'Al-qaeda' on his pyjamas then youre looking too shallow. Deceit from the enemy is more clever than any plot from any agency. It takes a very sensitive radar, it takes looking at the clues thoroughly..not just on the surface level. Also it takes taking these clues seriously in light of what God's word says about their doctrines. We must be deeper thinkers when it comes to this subject as deceit from the enemy doesn't look evil, rather it looks holy at first and we know that he parades as a "angel of light" 2 Corinthians 11.

With the many deceits trickling in the Church it is like a large dam wall that is breaking in certain areas and deceit has started to flow into the Church. Your author fears that it wont be long til huge chunks of the wall will cave in- many examples of why will be given on this web site. The gates of hell will not prevail against the Church, this is true but remember during the Dark Ages there was very little truth. It was a time for a famine of truth and when the Catholic Church reigned many thought salvation was only achieved by following the sacraments. Your author strongly feels we are entering a another time of dark ages though this time it will end with the Lord's return.

Anyone who has ever written a story in the first person knows how difficult it is not to write "I" all the time. Your author tried to substitute as much as possible. Until a professional writer is hired, the reader has to put up with the writing, spelling and grammar of a house painter. My deepest apologize for this.

How close are we to the end? We strongly suggest that these are in the last days. Waves of false prophets flow in the Christian main stream, Churches open the doors to wolves in sheeps clothing. Many would say-No way, today the church isn’t doing too bad.

Please look at the first piece of evidence here that undeniably prove we are in a mess right now. Before we do that we should look at the devil's scheme a bit. People become deceived when they don't closely examine scriptures and what the "Pastor" is saying. A nice suit and a Bible is all it takes for some to be deceived. We must examine i) the message ii) the attitude iii) the outcome. It is not enough to say that you have good feelings about a preacher. Many had thought they had the gift of spiritual discernment but when the soft tinker bells came on at Benny's crusade and the atmosphere, it all seems holy at first.
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In Matthew 24, Jesus tells of the signs that will happen during this amazing time of deceit, here is a portion of it:

Matthew 24:23-29

. 23 Then if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or 'There!' do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand. 26 Therefore if they say to you, 'Look, He is in the desert!' do not go out; or 'Look, He is in the inner rooms!' do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28 For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together. 29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. NKJV

Remember Jesus statement, “ Therefore if they say to you, 'Look, He is in the desert!' do not go out; or 'Look, He is in the inner rooms!' do not believe it."
There is a famous preacher who recently prophesied this very thing, that Jesus would return in the inner rooms physically. His meetings can be viewed around the globe on worldwide telecasts and many Christians listen to his teachings and even give money to his ministry. He has got us so fooled that when you suggest that he is a false prophet, most Christians defend him automatically.

He prophesied that Jesus would return physically in churches around the world. The name of this man is Benny Hinn and he prophesied this on TBN April 2, 2000 before his crusade in Nairobi, Kenya. Here is the actual prophecy:

“He appeared after His resurrection and He is about to appear before His second coming. You know a prophetess sent me a word through my wife and she said, ‘Tell your husband that Jesus is going to physically appear.' IM expecting to see, IM telling you that, I feel its going to happen. I I I I (stutter) IM careful of how IM saying it now because I know that the people in Kenya are listening. I know deep in my soul that something supernatural is going to happen in Nai...Nai... (stutter) Nairobi Kenya. I feel that. I may very well come back, and you and Jan are coming to, Paul and Jan are coming to Nairobi with me. Paul we may very well come back with footage of Jesus on the platform. Now hear this; IM prophesying this: Jesus Christ the Son of God is about to appear physically in some churches and some meetings and to many of His people for one reason to tell you He’s about to show up.”

The quote sounds obviously heretical in writing however mixed with soft music, a Bible in hand, Christians with their hand's raised it is more palatable to consume. How could Benny say such a thing? Let us make this as simple and clear as possible: Benny doesn't fear God's word. His ministry is based on deviant experiences, not truth. Often Benny and Henry will proclaim: "The letter kills but the spirit gives life", the implication is that the Bible, written letters, are not to be taken as serious as the anointing. This montebank theology steers your trust slightly away from the Bible and then to their heretical preaching.

The letter, as referred to in the Bible , is the Law of Moses not written alphabets. That passage in scripture is simply stating the obvious- You cant be saved from obeying the Law, you can only be saved by belief in Jesus by the convictions of the Holy Spirit. The passage is not saying to put the anointing above the written word rather the Bible repeatedly warns agaisnt scripture twisting...the written words are to be in first place. They monopolizes the 'anointing', wave their magic wand and voila people are left standing in a trance dishing money out of their wallets. What Benny Hinn teaches does effect the entire global Church as many listen to him in the comfort of their easy chair, they fellowship with you on Sunday, deal with you in business and you are effected whether you realize it or not. Yes even in conservative Churches.

I met a few of Benny Hinn's former workers so there will some important facts given later from their experiences, first hand, with Benny. For those of you in the faith movement or if you are undecided about it I ask you to read the book and examine the evidence I give which is pretty detailed and then come to your conclusion. Beware that you don't be stubborn as a mule, not wanting to change your ways even if the truth about it becomes clear. Many minds have locked in pre-suppositions that they hold on to even when the truth makes them see a little bit of light. Remember above all family, friends, and pursuits that we will face God on judgment day...we all will be required to answer to Him for any disobedience.

Although Benny Hinn is a proven heretic he did repent of having the holy laughter prophet, Rodney Howard Browne, preach at his Church when in Orlando. Benny also said that barking and animal noises are not from God. Does this make Benny Hinn reliable? Not at all, but those who accept animal noises and holy laughter are less discerning then Benny Hinn! Those who attend and accept the Toronto Blessing ,ie. many Vineyard goers, are more heretical then Benny Hinn. Not only that, the Alpha course is setting the stage up for future Toronto Blessing manifestations in your Church. Im writing this in December 2003 and my speculation , not a prophecy , is that before the year 2015 that there will be shaking, laughing, animal noises and other strange heresies in many Churches that now host the Alpha course.

How could this happen? One example is Peace Portal Alliance Church. They are very pro-Alpha and even sent a group of youths to Holy Trinity Brompton (HTB) where these bizarre manifestations are happening. When the youth group came back they gave a exciting report, as the ball keeps rolling the infactuation with the esoteric movement will deepen and its true axiom will appear. The long awaited "outpouring" can then start to take place.

As many graduate from Alpha they will read about these strange happenings to Gumbel and others in books and videos and many will be effected in this manner. It wont happen overnight, deceit takes time and opportunity to strike when the "iron is hot" at the right time in the future it will start to unfold. Northview is now moving full speed with the Alpha even after documents that were given to influential Pastors and elders there starting in 2001, they refuse to heed any warnings. Again, Nicky Gumbel accepts barking/ shaking/ slain as from God and is the author of Alpha. His videos slowly introduce these strange manifestations to Churches. Northview even had a world famous Elvis impersonator perform at Alpha. Now, they are offering two Alpha courses in the Spring due to high demand and a Alpha marriage seminar to boot! Sounds like Alpha is taking Churches over one at a time and they are more then willing buy their prepackaged programs. An Elvis is just what Alpha needs to add their charm and to get people ready for the deceit they are about to take in. Northview has been shaken up since they took in Alpha with some Pastors and Elders either quitting or getting fired. I personally believe Northview is going to see much more turmoil with great intensity and the Pastors will be judged now and more so on judgement day (The Bible says that teachers of the Bible will judged more severely). Anyone who faces the Lord would wish that they ignored men and popular movements and stood up for truth, with out caring at all about being accepted.

Breaking it down, its as simple as this: A man walks in your Church and tells you that he thinks barking, shaking, slain is from the Lord-even that God could throw a man across the room, tells you that the Holy Spirit can cause bizzarre manifestations such as these. Later this man offers a course to draw in the unchurched. One would think people would ignore this man or try to get him some help for his warped thinking. But no, the Churches prop this man on the stage, applaud him and follow his teachings. I dont care how 'Christian' his message sounds at first, Nicky Gumbel's stand on bizarre experiences is clear. Churches have rejected courses in the past that dont have this heretical twist to it, why do they accept this one?

" Its not what is taught, but what is caught." Alpha offers a sense of enchantment and maybe your Church will grow in numbers. There is something about this course that attracts people.

This is a troubling fact but people who are caught up in these movements are not concerned at any evidence quotes or truth but they have already made up their mind before looking at any evidence. It could be because they hold a position in the movement or desire one. It could be that they don’t want to lose their friends or it could be that their pride would be crushed. It takes a person who really wants the truth and loves the Lord so much that they will do anything to make sure they are right with Him. I feel the main reason for them refusing to discern the truth is that it would be too hard to deal with, admit that they were very deceived then re-learn the basic Biblical truths again. At the same time they would be wrestling with the teachings that are already installed in their mind by these teachers. Its a wretched place to be in, but far worse is to never see the truth of the deceit. Some in these movements actually know its a circus full of greed, lies, sin but the atmosphere is exciting so they want the lie instead of the truth, just as people have done in the past:

Isaiah 30:9-11

9 That this is a rebellious people, Lying children, Children who will not hear the law of the Lord; 10 Who say to the seers, "Do not see," And to the prophets, "Do not prophesy to us right things; Speak to us smooth things, prophesy deceits. 11 Get out of the way, Turn aside from the path, Cause the Holy One of Israel To cease from before us."

There is a whole dynamic that we have to deal with in exploring why people have chosen these new movements. Others like me in the past, have let the guard down on false teachings and accepted it because it looked Christian and also the lure of a Delilah..so and so attends so I got to.

Friends who get involved in these movements show some excitement in their life, that draws friends in. Or some have gave up on truth subconsciencely out of consequence from a hurt that they blamed God for and since "God did that to me" Im not going to care as much about my faith in Him. Others have doubts of creation or the supremacy of God due to the wicked onslaught of evolution theories (the great debate) and buying into humanistic thought. The thought is; take a little of God's word and believe it but not the whole enchilada. That space in-between doubt and a solid trust in God's word as divine truth leaves a open area that the enemy moves in as the person doesn't vigilantly guard truth as precious.

This expose was published so people can come back to Jesus and solid doctrine. Many Christians are confused today and we need to examine the Church at every level to see what is culprit. Then can we have peace in our lives again in knowing we are walking in truth.

In North America we have enjoyed a fortress of safety until airliners where hijacked systematically and used as huge missiles to down the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. September 11 , 2001 left us all feeling vulnerable to more attacks. The world as we knew it is no longer here and will never be here again. The Taliban trained for years to do this mission. They smiled at security officers and looked as if they fit in, all along knowing they want to kill. Even to the last minute they deceived Americans. One report of a Taliban relaxing the people on United Airlines flight 93 by announcing on the speakers "This is your captain. There is a bomb on board. We are returning to the airport". Just on the news today Saddam's faithful army used an van painted as a ambulance to get close to their target. These are examples on deceit.

The enemy will use look like Christians to deceive. 'Spiritual' music is also used but we will get more into these subjects later. The connection of the Hinn's being Arabian isn't the issue, there are many good Arabian Christians. Benny and Henry are bad apples smiling at you, acting holy as they take your money and faith away. Wolves come dressed in sheep clothing-- Benny likes to where white on the stage.

The enemy's objective? he wants to get into the church really bad. This is his main objective: to deceive Christians.

Exposing false teachers is a battle that is to be fought in accordance to Jesus command. This battle is raging presently; waged by very few, and what we found is that the church today shoots "friendly fire" at the very ones trying to stand against the flood of deceit pouring into the church today. Instead of encouraging the discerning person we label them as “divisive” and “judgmental”.

Each man does today what is right in his own eyes. Christians have become more tolerant on sin than the Bible is and we have strayed off the narrow way. Instead of seeking the Kingdom of heaven we are seeking the Kingdom of pleasure and money. Instead of preachers teaching the fear of God with sobriety we have CEO's who preach with a proud, boastful spirit that put on a great show. Doesn't God say that the beginning of wisdom is the fear of the Lord? If a person doesn't fear the Lord then the Bible will mean nothing, obedience will mean nothing to them. The new fast and easy gospel preached today produces "No fear Christians". One "Pentecostal Christian" who was part of a gang always used to boldly say "Only God can judge me"... and that He will.

What kind of gospel are these people hearing? "I can do anything I want and Jesus will still love me". But why are Jesus' words more sobering; "If you love Me you will keep My commandments" We don't hear that much anymore do we? Like the song says, "We pat God on the back like a buddy from out of town, we thank the man upstairs..". These modern preachers know how to win friends and influence people. Does this style of preaching make the church strong?

According to data from focus on the family, Christian couples have a higher divorce rate then non Christians. People have made rebuttals about this data like it doesn't include the non Christians who live common in law. Even so, the Christian couples who actually took the plunge and said "I do" at the altar will likely get a divorce before the non-christians who take the same plunge at the altar of marriage. The data should be NO WHERE near the unsaved rate of divorce. Where are the Promise Keepers now? A few years ago 1 Million PK men joined on the White House lawn to demonstrate they stand for family values so what is going on with the divorce number? PK is a feel good men's group full of hype and nonsense. Promise Keepers is riddled with false prophecy and heretical teachings from the top leaders down. Accepting Catholics and Mormons as in Christ. (http://www.equip.org and type in promise keepers in the search box)

The divorce data reveals something is very wrong. Is it loss of love in general or the lack of fear in God's Word? An attitude is in the Church, one that will not go away easy. Are you willing to roll up your sleeves to find out why, and when you do find the answers will you do what it takes to stave off corruption in the Church?

We hope Christians don't get the idea of marrying a nonchristians from that data above, this is another huge sin. The Bible speaks of not being yoked together with a unbeliever:

2 Corinthians 6

14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?

Bakers Evangelical Dictionary:

For marriage to function now according to God's ideal, believers in Christ need to marry only believers. Whenever God directly brought a man and woman together in marriage, both were believers. Although pagan customs encouraged marriage with anyone (cf. Gen. 16), Israel was given explicit commands not to marry foreigners who would lead them to worship foreign deities (Deut 7:1-4; 13:6-11; 17:1-7; 20:17; 23:2). New Testament believers are also not to be "unequally yoked" with unbelievers (2 Cor 6:14), meaning any action causing the union of believer with nonbeliever, or nonbelieving ways, must be avoided.

Your author had a very good friend named Chris with whom the first years of being a Christian were spent. We had many good times and were excited about serving the Lord. Your author owned a painting company , at times Chris would be employed doing odd jobs. At one house we painted we met a bravado "Christian" tile-setter that attended Victory Christian Center in Surrey, B.C. He would belittled traditional churches and had some interesting things to say about faith. He proclaimed that if we wanted to get things from God then we must manipulated God in prayer. The tile-setter said, “Let me give you a acorn of wisdom…” To which your author replied “Just don’t give me any nuts.”

Those days were full of excitement and joy. We would listen with amazement to Bob Larsen on the radio as he “took on” demons. After about six years of friendship we heard that Bob was coming to do a workshop in Seattle, Washington and we made plans to attend. When Bob called people forward who had marital or spiritual problems some of them fell to the ground and started moving wildly. Even people who looked normal at the beginning of the service started manifesting on the ground, shaking, roaring, and moving out of control. When Bob got control of the people he had asked them some questions and to my amazement some of the people said they were Christians.

Later our friends where told on what we saw at Bob’s convention, they too were amazed when they heard that Christians where demon possessed. Soon after this your author felt it was time to leave the old traditional church namely, the Apostolic Christian Church ( http://www.apostolicchristian.org/ ACC from Europe not the Charismatic ACC). Northview Community church was chosen in October 1994. Chris made new friends and your author started dating for the first time as the ACC didn't allow that.

Northview Community Church is Mennonite affiliated but you wouldn’t have known it was unless someone told you. It was complete with a contemporary worship band full of talented artists who had their own music on CD and some of the music could be heard on Christian radio. The college and career group was called “Roaring 20’s” at the time and it had anywhere from 300 to 600 college and career age people on Wednesday nights. It was a bit of a wild group as you can imagine from the name. They had fun but also the Pastor of the group, Dr. Dave Currie, strongly encouraged the group to go on short-term mission trips to experience Jesus in a radical way. The group had many positive aspects to it but there also some negatives as well. Friends confessed of sexual impurity. In the ACC a Christian who commits fornication was put under punishment until the person repents of the sin and it was hardly an issue.

I recall one particular character from Roaring 20's so clearly due to the sheer lunacy of his actions. He had the hots for a girl so he made up a tape of him talking to Bill Clinton and some celebrities- altering his own voice to mimmick the celebs. He gave her the tape and we had a big laugh. One girl named Dominique would grope my face with her hands in view of all the girls in the sanctuary, I had to tell her to stop that nonsense. She was later invited by a Roaring 20's leader to his hut tub...and more. Jen, who I was very interested in blew me off my feet when we were square dancing and I asked her how it was going and she replied, "Fine now that Im with you". That was a lot for a boy who was brought up in a no dating Church. Jen later resigned from the executive team and called Roaring 20's a "meat market".

The Revival Center’s meetings were strange. People would fall down on the ground “under the power” and they encouraged everyone to speak in tongues. They would dip their finger in oil and put it on people to “anoint them”. The people would go to the front stage to get anointed then they would lie down on the floor. Some would laugh and claim that God was making them laugh. Some would describe that they are feeling warm burning sensations. Your author thought that this was very strange but they were helping people on the streets so maybe it was for real. Chris was at a revival meeting at Christ for the Nations and fell "under the power". As he was laying there a big black women, a fellow class mate, started to grab his heels and drag him out of the room while mumbling something like "Im going to get me some..." When Chris realized that he was being dragged outside the gymnasium doors he asked her what she was doing. Chris told all his class mates and they all had a big laugh. One of the teachers there, who I remembered as very stern and serious as he spoke on the stage, was found out to have an affair with a student of his...he resigned later. At first, one would think these meetings where holy until closer examination. At a missions conference years ago called 'Missions Fest' a Christ for the Nations student urged me to check out their college and worship events, she said that they have awesome worship. Thank the Lord your author didn't feel led to. Chris and other students went to see Rodney Howard Browne speak at a large Charismatic Church in Vancouver (Not that Im afraid to mention the name, I forgot which one it was) Chris and Suzy ended up laughing on the floor and rolling on each other under the pews. Soon Chris tried to get me
to "laugh" in the spirit. If he tried that today I would rebuke him harshly and immediately but back then I was conditioned from Northview's "love and dont judge anyone" attitude. This attitude is very dangerous for the climate we live in today which is full of doctrines from the pit of hell. We were friends for 7 years and there is something about being a friend that wants to keep it together at almost any cost. Not for me today, I found out rebuking is the most loving things you can do much like slapping the childs hand to keep it away from the hot stove. To sit there and watch "out of love" is not love...its hateful and evil.

Missionaries set up booths at Northview, one particular gentleman didn't want to accept your author for long term missions, why? No B.A. in Theology or any degrees. All the Apostles wouldnt be accepted by them ! (Including Paul...he was trained under Jewish Law not N.T. Theology) Your author prayed to this effect, "Lord if you ever give me my dream of starting a no compromise mission outreach, I will never link up with these political ministries"

One night during street evangelism Chris wanted to go into the dirtiest and darkest alley and preach but your author was a little apprehensive. After some cajoling from Chris we walked down the alley saw a man lying on the pavement motionless. There was a hypodermic needle stuck in his arm with blood coming out. We ran up to him and Chris checked his pulse. “There is no pulse,” Chris said, “ Should I give him mouth to mouth”? Right then a lady who looked high staggered toward us and said, ”Move out of the way I’m a nurse.” So she started to give him CPR but she wasn’t successful in reviving him. Your author immediately ran to get some help and found a phone at this old hotel beside the alley and called 911. Back at the scene and Chris was holding him and praying for him. It was very touching to see Chris care for this stranger. Just then the ambulance arrived and took the man away. As the ambulance drove away, a man named Dwight approached and asked for money. We didn’t give him money right then but asked him to consider what he just saw, the next one to die might be him. He told us that his wife left him with his royalty money from writing the song, "Play that funky music White Boy". He told us how he used to travel to the tropics and live in luxury. He got hooked on drugs and his money went to keep his habit. He told us that he wants to change and come to church. We thought Dwight would start coming to church so Chris met him later on gave him some money. Chris told me that night when your author prayed for the man in the alley his pulse came back. " Why didn’t you tell me when it happened in the alley". "I was too shocked at the time to tell you".

We were upset that Dwight didn’t show up at church at the next services. Later we met Dwight again on the streets and he expressed that this time he really wanted to go to church and change his life. He came along with us to the Revival Center that night and as the service was starting Dwight started to growl and make strange noises. He would bow down his chair. He kept leaving the meeting and coming back in. He told us that he had something evil in him that was scratching him. Chris brought him to the front of the church and the pastor (Harry) prayed for him to "cast out" the devil. Afterwards we had donuts and coffee at the church but Dwight said he still feels something wrong inside him. We told Harry and he said, in his simple manner, " it will come out in time", then Harry walked away speaking in tongues with jelly from the donut on the side of his mouth. That night as we drove him home, Dwight spotted another one of his friends on the street and asked us if we could share Jesus with him as well. We gladly picked up his friend Dave and we resumed our drive to Dwight’s apartment. As we drove Dwight’s voice changed and he started to act very strangely. Chris pulled the car over and we prayed over Dwight and he started to scream and roar loudly. Finally after a few minutes Dwight stopped roaring and relaxed. He looked up and said that he felt wonderful. Dwight's friend Dave was freaking out in the back of the car and we asked Dave if we could pray over him as well. It turned out that we prayed for Dave's deliverance as well and he said that he felt as light as a feather. Both of them were full of joy and Dave was hugging the Bible while shouting that he loves the Bible. They thanked God and were excited about life. We were very overwhelmed at the phenomena we saw that night.

A lot of interesting things were happening. One night as we drove from street ministry to go back home Chris started to freak out and told me that God had written on my face and as Chris read it out loud your author started to believe the message and your author started to wonder what was going on. your author never experienced God like this before. Chris had “words from the Lord” to give to me and we were experiencing new phenomena such healing and other miracles. During this time Chris was working for me doing the scraping and painting of exterior wood at a town house complex in the summer of 1998. Even though he had little experience, it was fun having him around as we would sing praise songs on the roofs of the houses and talk about the things that happened on Hastings Street and at the Revival center.

There were some questionable moments that your author had with Chris. After evangelizing on the street the Revival Center wanted to hear what happened that day during the sharing time in the church service. Some stories that Chris had told the church was quite stretched, embellished at the least. Chris had moved back home as his dad and him were now at peace. On one of my visits Chris started to watch Kenneth Copeland on his TV. Your author looked at the preacher and said, “That guy looks scary, his eyes look evil.” Chris continued to watch with excitement. Here is a wave file from Copeland saying that we are god, thats what satan said to Eve- You will be like God, the oldest trick in the book still works:

PS you can find Copeland's books at the House of James or Blessings Christian bookstore. Your author wrote the owner of the House of James and warned him but I doubt he will take the books off the shelf.
Here is House of James inventory of Copeland books http://houseofjames.com/store/search.html?searchfor=copeland

Your author was still hesitant to speak in tongues or accept the Revival Center’s teachings. Ron Ward was the pastor of the center and he also would quote Kenneth Copeland now and then from the pulpit.
Another time at Chris’ home he told me that he talked with Moses and Elijah last night. Chris also said that he had enough faith to walk through his bedroom wall, he got up and tried with eyes closed. Of course he stubbed his toe in the wall when he gave it a try but he made excuses of why nothing happened. “I almost did it” Chris said, “I doubted at the last second.” Chris tried to walk through the wall because his friend, Tim in Edmonton tried to ride a dirt bike through the church wall. "By faith" Tim was going to go through it and not be scratched. Tim attended Kenneth Hagin's Bible college called "Rhema**" (**Important to remember this name for later). Kenneth Hagin is a 'name it and claim it' preacher. They teach that you can visualise miracles and 'speak them into existance'. They claim that since God spoke and there was light, we as children of God can speak and create things. They claim we have a divine right to claim such things. Hagin, who died in 2003, was one of the first to revive slain in the spirit and drunk in the spirit, these esoteric manifestations had not occured into the mainstream since the Azusa Street Revival. Im sure Hagin knows where God stands on these topics now. Tim tried to ride his bike through the wall but ended up almost dead in the hospital. His family tried to keep him in the insane ward however Tim checked himself out. Chris found out that Tim was wearing a helmut and had the gas tank close to empty before doing the stunt. Chris scoffed "If Tim really had faith he wouldnt have wore his helmut or drained the gas tank."

One night your author was on Yahoo Christian chat and met a female named Marci. She was very compassionate and had a warm heart for the souls that didn’t know Jesus. We started to email and it was clear she was very charismatic. She would talk about how much she loved Benny Hinn and his ministry. She had women’s prison ministry and she loved to evangelize. After some time she mailed me her picture, she won two beauty pageants. We would chat real time on ICQ till the early morning. Our eyes would be so tired but we would still write. After hearing her soft voice on the phone your author was hooked. She would encourage me to speak in tongues and Chris had already pestered me many times before to try. Chris would tell her stories about me to get her excited. One day we were driving on highway one and Chris kept explaining the benefits to the believer for speaking in tongues. Your author finally gave it a try and mumbled something, Chris went nuts.

Chris would tell Marci that your author raised the dead and evangelised with signs and wonders. It seemed all so exciting with all that was going on. Chris had a healing story everyday when we went on the streets. After being in love with Marci the resistance started to fade on “falling under the power” and “anointing” practices. After some time the teachings got deeper into the mind and eventually your author started to teach the anointing to others.

One day Chris called me, “David, did you know Benny Hinn’s brother has a church here in Vancouver and they have a healing service tonight? Come to my house right away we’re going!”

We walked into the service at Vancouver Christian Center and there was a strange power in the air. A beautifully tanned young lady (Rachel) stood very still on the stage while she sang. The synthesizer blended in soft waves of hums. The people were singing and swaying in almost a trance. “These people are worshipping so seriously. This is awesome.” There was such a stillness in the air. While the singing continued the ushers came forward in great pomp and a short but large man with tanned skin strode up the platform and gripped the microphone. “Come on people lets give the Lord better than that!” and everyone worshipped louder and with fear. He would close his eyes and sing fervently and lead the people in worship. Then when all the songs were sung he whispered into the microphone gently and as the synthesizer still played softly he would say something to this effect: “Something wonderful is going to happen here tonight ladies and gentlemen,” he would say. “ Many of you have cried to the Lord, ‘ how long Lord must I suffer! Then he would raise his voice, " When will I get my healing!’. Well tonight is that night, come on choir stay with me!”

Later he read a short story out of the Bible on the women with an issue of blood that couldn’t be healed. She touched the hem of Jesus garment and was healed. He told the people, “ It was her faith that healed her”. Then he told the crowd that he feels the “anointing” really strong and its time for the healing to start. He would command the organ player to keep playing and to stay with him. He told the people to come forward and the ushers were in a scurry to rush the people forward because God’s anointing was there and they didn’t have time to waste. People would come forward on the stage and he would touch then and ask them, “What did you feel?” Many people that night said they were healed and Henry Hinn would give Jesus the praise for the healing. Then there was the offering time. Two offerings were taken that night but your author was so overwhelmed to think anything of it. It all seemed so holy and so powerful. Chris whispered his approval and amazement to me while the service was going on. While Henry was praying for healing Chris told me to take off my glasses. Nothing happened. After the service we were excited Chris stopped the car at a dumpster and told me to throw the glasses away. After considering it, the gesture was refused. It didn't seem legitimate to place God in a position of where He had to heal me, forcing Him to do my will.

The next Sunday we came back and during the evening service, Henry told the people if they want God to touch them then come forward to get “anointed”. Chris practically ran forward and your author came forward later. When Henry put his hand on Chris’ forehead he said, ”You have a evangelistic anointing”. Chris started to praise God and Henry said, “What do you do for a living?” Chris told them that he was a painter. Henry proclaimed, “Good! You’re going to paint my house! Nobody wants to paint my house!”. Then it was my turn to come on the stage. “You have a evangelistic anointing too”. Chris freaked out on the stage and told him that we preach on Hastings Street. Henry asked Chris , “ Where do you attend church?” Chris told him that from this moment on he was now going to attend his church. Henry smiled as he announced from the stage, “If you guys stay three months…we will support your ministry.” We were ecstatic. On the way home we were just praising God for all that was happening and now we are hooked up with a televangelist who was Benny Hinn’s brother! We thought it was God had big plans for us and things were going to get better from here on.

Chris called ," Henry wants a quote for painting his house", he needed help on account of the limited experience he had. As we drove near his gated entrance the area was familiar, your author was suppose to paint Henry's home in the past but the builder of the house [Rene Desrosiers Construction] said some Arabian guy couldn’t pay, there was money scandals. We lost the contract. “ Do you know Rene the Builder?” was te question. Henry knew Rene and that he wished he never fired him because the "next builder" took off with all the money, the tradesmen didn’t get paid. The newspapers came out to the house and there was a helicopter taking pictures. He was on the news as a scam artist. He went on with a sob story, After feeling sorry for him a cheap quote was given, one that even surprised Henry. After seeing all those people being healed at Vancouver Christian Center (V.C.C.) there was no way this guy could have been a scam artist, was the thought.

When Marci heard of all this she was in awe. She shared in the excitement that we were in at the time. Things started getting very serious with Marci after this your author eventually spoke with her mother. Later and invitation was given by her family to spend some time in New Mexico. The plans were set. Her mom called left a message on the answering machine about the trip, she had concerns and wanted to lay some rules. Not wanting to trouble anyone, your author told Marci that it should wait. At this she was very upset and tried to sway me to keep the plans. My dad also wondered what her mom was thinking.

After some time Henry asked us to join his ministry , soon we knew many of of the leaders at VCC. The house took so long to paint that we got aquanted with the Hinn family and even ate with them on different occasions. Mrs. Hinn was a excellent cook. Chris fell in love with Henry’s daughter, Rachel and he boasted , “ Imagine me marrying Benny’s niece!” We both thought that Rachel was in her early twenties but it turned out that she was only 16, Chris was 18. We started working in Henry’s "valet parking ministry". We had to make sure that Henry’s parking spot, right in the front, wasn’t taken and then open the car doors when Henry pulled in. My aunt Maria has severe arthritis and we made plans to take her to a healing service. We thought if we can only get Henry to pray for her then she would be healed. The service was long and it took a long time before Henry felt the "anointing". Henry started to pray for the sick and finally Henry prayed for her. The ushers in the front took her out of the wheel chair quickly and she yelled in pain. We were expecting her to leap for joy after Henry prayed over her but nothing happened. Chris and your author were discouraged and blamed her for not having enough faith. Our attitudes started to change after hearing many sermons on the anointing and faith. They teach if your faith is weak then you won’t be healed. The anointing was a power and a blessing that can be transferred from Henry Hinn to the receiving recipient. He also taught that if you were around people that didn’t believe in the anointing then it would effect you negatively. We both stopped hanging around anyone who didn’t believe in the teachings of the faith movement. Despite family warnings we continued to work for Henry. After some time Henry told the head usher to promote us to an usher position; so now we were in. We ushered, collected the offerings and caught the “slain.” Chris was called up to catch more frequently- your author is grateful for the limit on that deceit.

So Chris was in love with Rachel and your author was in love with Marci. We agreed to meet in California as she is from New Mexico. She wanted to meet at 312 Asuza Street where the “Asuza Street Revival” began. This event is said to be responsible for the restoration of tongues and the beginning of the Pentecostal movement as know it today. In one of Carmen’s songs about revival he mimicks a devil saying that the Asuza Street revival as something the devils didn’t like very much.

Our plans to meet at Azusa fell through and then we made other plans to meet. The next planned meeting failed to take place and the disappointments blew out the excitement in our relationship and we started to drift apart.

A few people from the VCC youth group joined Chris' street evangelism team and even Rachel, Henry’s daughter joined in to express our beliefs and joined us for dinner at Milestones on Robson after. There were quite a few peculiar events happening around the Henry's house. One was that the house manager, Brent, was frequently over and he his duties around the house (Approx. 8000 square feet) included cleaning the pool, changing the light bulbs, paying the bills and light maintenance. His day job was a Bubble gum and candy vending route. One time Brent peeked around the corner at me while painting the exterior. He quickly moved his head back behind the corner of the house as not to be seen. Also the pastors of the church would come and take Henry’s cars, get them washed and filled with gas and return them at the house. Two ladies at church would volunteer and clean his house twice during the week. .

When Henry was given the first bill for painting he waited a long while and then only paid a small amount. This was the pattern for the rest of the billing on his home. There was always an excuse on why he couldn’t pay. One day my car broke down and with no money to fix it because of the slow payments but at the same time Henry managed to buy a brand new Mercedes Benz. He gave me this sorry excuse that he was to get two "gifts" of 40,000$. One gift came in and the other didn't. He put a down payment on the Benz with the first 40,000$ but the second gift didn't come in, which he was going to pay me out of. Your author stopped going to VCC and of course stopped painting his house. Henry's Mansion:

Back at Northview Community Church, on the first Sunday Pastor Vern Heidebrecht explained how he was painting his own house during the week and he had a story to tell but all that your author remembered was that he painted his own house. Chris would call and warn to get out of Northview right away. He would say that " they don’t operate in God’s gifts... There are no miracles happening there and its dead". Chris assured me that Henry will pay eventually.

My brother-in-law Jim gave me a book on the faith movement and two audiocassettes of quotes from various faith teachers. The quotes were very heretical and shocking. Chris rebuttle,".. the author just twists the words from these teachers.... Benny repented from most of those quotes". Benny wasn’t mentioned many times in the book and in one statement Benny even admitted that he made a mistake for letting Rodney Howard Browne ( the "holy" laughter preacher) speak at his church. It seems Benny Hinn has one up on "Christians" who go along with the laughter prophet, yet slight morals add to the disguise.. Chris would often call on me to encourage me to come back to VCC and after some time Henry Hinn’s house manager called and told me that Henry feels bad about not paying me, he promised me a check. Brent was told to have the cheque ready to be picked up Sunday night at VCC

Your author was nervous about returning especially after hearing the tapes on what the faith teachers were preaching. Once again people praising with more fervor than other churches. There was a strange power in the air , Henry was “healing” people. Henry had his youngest daughter, Hannah, on the stage talking and laughing..it was a cute scene. Later people were praising God for their healings and my resistance faded. Henry taught on the anointing and he would hit the olive oil bottle with his hand and as he did his ring would make a ting sound. He went on to explain that without the anointing we are weak. "Maybe Henry was different from Benny" was the thought. Friends came by and Henry gave me a big hug, apologized for forgetting the check. He then introduced me to his mother, Clemence, she held on my hand for a long while as she spoke Arabic to Henry. Henry was smiling and hugging me. Then he asked Hannah to give me a hug. your author felt like close relatives from the country were near with all the hospitality. He promised to pay the following week and asked me to start painting in Rachel’s room. The People of Vancouver Christian Center commented on lucky I was to be close to the Hinn family.

3. From reality into fantasy.

Chris started to date a girl named Suzy from Christ for the Nations Bible College and started to slow his pursuit of Rachel. On my way to work one day your author saw a girl jogging from Northview. Lisa is a very bright and attractive Christian who was admired for her work with Trinity Western University’s street evangelism and all her volunteering at church-- all this during her full-time studies at Trinity. But Lisa was owed a huge apology from something that happened years before:

A few years earlier Lisa accepted a date invitation on the condition we go in a group. I was nervous about the date- being brought up in a church that didn’t allow dating. The way people met and married in my old church (ACC) was to talk at church and if you liked the girl you told her pastor that you wanted to marry her. The pastor then would meet her and her parents and relay the message. The answer was given to the pastor and then eventually to the asking brother. This kept the sin of sex out of marriage out of the church but the downside was that the couple hardly knew each other before the marriage, with this, to ask out a girl on a date was a huge thing for me, not only of the normal emotions involved.

I prayed about Lisa while listening to my favorite praise and worship music - the Vineyard. They are held as as the epitome of spiritual music. At this time in prayer a bizarre thing happened; Lisa’s friend Jody came to mind. Wondering why this happened I prayed further that if Lisa didn't show up at church on Sunday (as she usually did) then Jody is the one for me. Lisa didn't show up and she was seen with a guy at the following Wednesday Roaring 20's. Your author sent flowers to Jody, then later a letter but it was ignored. When the whole drama ended it became clear that the vision was not from God.

..to continue... Lisa was owed a very late apology so your author skipped a morning service at Vancouver Christian Center to talk to Lisa at Northview.

She took the apology very well and with tonnes of grace, though it became evident that my track record with her was tarnished too severely for a second chance. Your author wrote Chris an email about liking Lisa and accidentally clicked on Marci's email address box instead. My relationship with Marci took a turn for the worse. Chris said Marci was upset and crying because of that letter. Stop me if you heard this one before; We drifted apart and agreed to be “just friends” but it turned out for the good as it was a distraction from VCC and other events that could have happened.

Henry’s payments were still slow but he managed to somehow make payments for a large home, two Mercedes Benz, and many other fine luxuries. Henry taught that if you gave financially to an anointed ministry then God would increase your finances by 30, 60 or 100 fold! He told many stories of how people on their last dollars gave to his ministry and they received a financial miracle. The stories were so juicy that people couldn’t wait to give in the offering. Henry often would "visit" with the church before the preaching began. He would just talk or joke around a little bit. One time he said that he really doesn't get paid much for all his hard work. He went on to say that if he could make more money in sales and he admitted that he could sell sand to the Arabians. He actually told the church that a man from the Sikh temple called Henry and asked him to preach there so he could take up an offering, as they heard Henry is good at persuading a large offering.

Henry taught that you can “speak things into existence”. Just as God spoke “let there be light”, as a child of God you can speak things in faith and it will appear eventually. On healing nights Henry sometimes anointed some offering envelopes and told the people that if they give in this particular offering then they will be blessed and anointed by God. What he means by anointing is that it is power from God and that it can be in different types. It could be a healing anointing, a financial anointing, a preaching one or a evangelizing one. Henry also taught that if a person stays near him then Henry’s anointing can “rub” on that person in that it can be transferred to another person.

During this time your author's life took a turn for the worst. I was still involved in street evangelism and singing in the choir but also started to pick up bad traits like being shifty with payments and teaching the same doctrines Henry taught. Chris was now telling the street people that Jesus became poor that they might become rich. Chris was so tired of the street people asking him for money that he said he was going to tape a thousand dollar bill on his forehead and tell them in their face that he didn’t have a dollar for them. We started praying for riches and speaking amounts of money “ into existence”. We would encourage each other to “believe and you will receive” and we acted like we already have what we asked for. No wonder many poor people think that they are rich.

One time Chris believed that he could make an offering by faith. He closed the empty envelope believing- by faith- that there was now 100 dollars in it. I asked him- why don't you believe then, for 1 million? He said that he didn't have that much faith. If everyone practised this sort of faith that they teach, it wouldnt be long that Hinn's doors would be closed due to the unpaid bills. Since they do teach this, here is the challenge: Every reader who believes Hinn or Copeland are good teachers, follow what they say to the T. Go for the gusto...close the empty envelope and do what Chris did- believe it with all your mind, by faith you will receive what you believe right? Come on now! Claim your miracle! Cant you feel the power?, By faith pray that there is a million dollars in the envelope. Oh hallelu..it lifts me high, up to to the sky . (god's property song "stomp" starts playing...with screaming in the background. You can hear a sample of the noise by hitting the link to music page then scrolling down to stomp)

Muster all the energy you can and 'by faith' there will be money in it. If its doesn't work then its Copeland's and Hinn's fault, not yours. Henry would have to sell sand to the Arabians I guess. ("Stomp" used to play on 106.5 since then they sold out to Apple computer, the song now plays in the background during corportate demonstration commercials...also notice the screaming in the backgorund which sounds like mayhem)

Around the month of January 1999 Henry hired a bodyguard / Crusade Manager named Dennis that was trained under Benny Hinn's ministry as Benny’s bodyguard and Crusade manager for seven years. Dennis was a poker faced tough guy, I dont think I saw him smile once. He would walk with Hinn with long strides and chin up in the air. He told us some Benny Hinn stories including that Benny listens to Hank Hannegraaff of the Bible answer man show and that Benny calls Hank "a jerk".

Henry also doesn't hold marriages very highly either. This attractrive stewardess named Rhonda would attend VCC from time to time and her husband had a depression problem. ( being around that church is a good way to get depressed) I remember Henry tried to cast a devil out of the poor guy, he didn't fall or shake or anything bizzarre- then Henry warned him to shape up because thats the last time he will get prayer.

Interestingly enough a couple years after leaving VCC your author was emailing a women from a Christian online dating site who knew Rhonda and her husband. She told me that Henry was trying to help his single friend date Rhonda while she was still married!

One time a Pastor from Korea was invited to preach and on my way to VCC to hear him speak my car stalled. It happened to break down only a few blocks from the Hinn’s home. Managing to push the car up a hill and then down a side road. For about 2 hours your author sat there wondering why things were going so wrong. Volunteering in the choir, operating in the gifts, and believing for miracles left me now wondering if God loved me and why His favor was on others. Chris was engaged to be married to Suzy, everyone around me seemed to be blessed .

Chris called me later and told of Pastor Hahn from Korea, claiming it was amazing with everyone falling on the floor “ under the power”. The next day Chris drove all the way from Port Coquitlam to Abbotsford to take me to the meeting in Richmond (about 3 hours total driving time for Chris by the time he got back home, he really wanted me there)

The visiting pastor had some interesting things to say while he was preaching under the "anointing". He taught that Judas Iscariot didn’t betray Jesus. your author questioned that "revelation" but I was told that I shouldn’t question things because God anoints the Pastor and he knows more than me.

In January 1999 Henry Hinn Ministries held a local crusade at the Vancouver Hyatt. Dennis was in charge of security at the crusades and since they were short on ushers they asked me to help. After Henry’s message he prayed for the sick and people were falling everywhere. The catchers had a hard time catching the “slain” due to the speed of Henry touch on people and many went to the floor in a free fall. Henry yelled at me for being slow to catch the falling. Henry was going bizzirk hitting people on the head in a fast frenzy and even walking on chairs to reach people. Henry then "anointed" people on the stage then he called up Rachel. He told Rachel -this isn't Daddy, think of me as God's anointed. He told her to raise her hands and 'touch Jesus feet', Chris then caught... most of her...ahum...as she fell. After the service we had to pack the equipment up in the VCC van and deliver the equipment.The people left the auditorium, Henry stayed at the Hyatt even though his house was about a half hour drive away. There was a party held in his room but only the secret core group would be trusted with the money counting. Like giving the dog a bone to keep it happy he gives them some recognition on the stage to appease their egos and that will be all to win thier allegiance to heresy. Like Esau many still sell their soul for pottage or megar pittance.

Chris had the auditorium stage to himself starting to act like he was preaching and began to mimic Henry’s preaching on the empty stage. Chris threw and kicked things around the room as he was preaching madly, pretending to anoint people and then throwing some more things around still yet. No doubt, this is how Chris saw the style of the faith preachers. Chris went on to say that one day he will have a bigger ministry than Henry’s. As we drove the van and equipment away we jokingly made plans to steal the van right then and start our own ministry with the stolen goods. We laughed madly just as blundering fools and joked on further. This is how we seriously took the whole scene at VCC. We went from being God fearing Christians to this.

A incident that occurred inside the church really shook me up; after a church service when some were conversing your author went to join in a conversation between two men. One of the men, George Costea, who was a old faithful friend of Henry's who has been involved with his ministry from near the beginning. George put his hand around my neck and dragged me to the sidewall, this all happening inside the church. He held his hand to my neck tightly, half choking me he sternly warned me to never interupt his important conversations.

The attitudes in the church left a sick feeling inside and I was ready to leave that whole scene. I still had "word faith"
doctrine in my mind and it seemed that attending a less intense Church would be the right thing to do. Friends that left Northview started to congregate at word faith Churches and your author was invited to join in. This Church, "The Father's House" was located in Abbotsford. By faith the Pastor Sean Upshaw, resolved to sell his home and rent so that he could free up funds to minister full-time. We chatted in his hot tub about faith and prosperity and about Hank Hanegraaff, president of the Christian Research Institute and the host of the Bible Answer Man program. Sean would name call him; "Hank Hinder-God" and his program, "The Bible cancer man". Sean wanted me to take the leadership course and become involved in his ministry. Sean said "Dave you have a Joshua spirit". I just wanted to work things out in my life so I dropped out of the leadership course. (Father's house is now shut down-- thank the Lord!)

I started to recall Henry’s teachings and prophecies. I remembered Henry Hinn prophesying in 1998 that the year would be the "Year of Jubilee" and it would be a time of prosperity for him and the Vancouver Christian Center church. What happened later that year was far from a Jubilee; The piano player Charlene wrote a song about the year of Jubilee and the words went “This is the year of Jubilee, all of God’s blessings we will see”. Unfortunately for Henry, Charlene ended up leaving the church that year with the synthesizer player Gerard, after a money dispute. This shocked the church and they quickly found a replacement from Hawaii. In a short time this new replacement also left the church for drug related reasons. Gerard and Charlene got married soon after they left VCC and they were hired at another Word Faith Church (Royal City Christian Center, New Westminster, B.C.-Pastor Don Gosset) for a substantial amount of money. Chris' dad Nick, was in charge of sound mixing at Henry's church and Gerard called Nick to offer a tempting amount of money to be his mixer. Nick soon left Henry's church to work with Gerard. Chris joined later on...

Another one of Hinn's prophecies that was said in the following year, 1999 where Henry proclaimed that 1999 is the year of “debt free for VCC” (Vancouver Christian Center). He would tell the listening audience to repeat the phrase--, “99 is the year of debt free for VCC!”--. That prophecy also did not come true and in fact I did not see any of his prophecies ever came true in my time at Vancouver Christian Center. Henry was the only one increasing in riches. I saw no one in a wheel chair healed during my time there as a choir member, usher. The only so called miracles are the easy ones to fake like asthma, cancer...how do you know its healed for sure? Someone with cancer can say they feel healed but it still might be there. Only a C.A.T. scan would verify it not Henry asking if they felt anything. Of course they feel something with bright lights, being on the stage in front of a crowd in a built up atmosphere that took Henry and the choir about a hour to create. One of the head ushers, Gustov would bring his dear handicapped girl to VCC faithfully but she was never healed. Henry kept telling the church to pray for her.

I started to listen to the tapes that my brother-in-law gave me about the faith movement once again. The tapes with recordings of Benny Hinn, Copeland and others and this time I was willing to really listen. I knew the movement was different than other Christian churches but I thought the difference was that they had more knowledge of spiritual gifts than the traditional churches. My visits to Henry Hinn's Church became once a month to see friends.

The final straw for me was when I attended a healing service that summer (1999). Chris just got married and was on his honeymoon so he was not ushering at this service. I was watching Henry- closely. At that time of repentance in my life I was reading the Bible and praying often. I noticed I got a strange feeling when I entered VCC, it was like a warning. I havent been keen on these warnings in the past but after reading what Benny and others preached I was cautious.

When it was time to collect the offering and He asked the people to come forward who could give large amounts of money the verse came to mind that Jesus taught on not making a show of giving.

1 "Beware of practicing your righteousness before men to be noticed by them; otherwise you have no reward with your Father who is in heaven. 2 "When therefore you give alms, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be honored by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. 3 "But when you give alms, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing 4 that your alms may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will repay you. Matthew 6:1-4 NAS

Henry told the crowd not to get religious and worry about people seeing them give in front of everyone. I knew now what he meant by being “religious”. The Lord opened my eyes to the deceit at VCC and I decided that no matter how great
friends claimed Henry Hinn to be, according to the Bible and from what I saw he was not a true preacher of the Bible but
a heretic that taught the same doctrines of demons as Copeland and his brother Benny.

Later I found out that night it was exactly one year of attending VCC when the blinders came off, praise God for His goodness! These faith preachers all claim freedom but all the while they are in bondage themselves.

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17 These are springs without water, and mists driven by a storm, for whom the black darkness has been reserved. 18 For speaking out arrogant words of vanity they entice by fleshly desires, by sensuality, those who barely escape from the ones who live in error, 19 promising them freedom while they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by what a man is overcome, by this he is enslaved. 2Peter 2:19 NAS

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5. Are friends really friends forever? I know they are not.

After that night I never returned to Vancouver Christian Center. I finally had no doubt that Henry was teaching false doctrine, I accepted the fact that I was deceived. My mind and emotions didnt feel the same and I felt very weak inside.
Chris heard that I left Vancouver Christian Center and he came to visit me right after he came home from his honeymoon. He tried to convince me not to leave the faith movement with examples of how God blessed him by believing it. He gave me examples of God’s blessings on his life to prove that the faith movement is not heretical but true. He asked me to look at his life, “Look at me Dave! I have a new house (helps when granpa gave him a $10,000 wedding gift)... I just got married to a very beautiful and anointed girl. Look at my nice clothes. I got all this because I believed for them!”."Dave I care about you, ask Suzy I talked about you all the time while on our honey moon. I came here right away we just go back- all to help you" This time Chris’ words didn’t sway me from the truth. The Bible became more important to me again and my eyes became open on how Henry's teachings go against Jesus’ own and that of the Bible. I could never believe it again and to do so would be denying Jesus and the truths of the Bible. I saw that the movement’s teachings are in direct opposition to the Bible in that they appeal to the lusts of riches, pride of life, and a “anti-suffering” gospel. Instead of seeking the kingdom of heaven I saw that they teach how to get riches and perfect health from God. They promised Revivals and new, powerful moves of God, which only built up false hopes based on human ability to create a miracle and by-passing that resting trust in God.

Chris admitted that he saw many money scams at VCC while he worked in the office but he told me to just attend another faith movement church. I told Chris of the scams and gross sins I knew of. Even what Brent told me about Henry, Chris was floored. Yet, the persuading went on to not leave the movement.

*********A little side note, Jesus said, -an adulterous generation seeks for a sign. What is Henry's Bible school course called? (its only a couple a months long too) its called "Signs and Wonders!".

I told Chris that I could never go back to Vancouver Christian Center and he got upset, “You’re never going to grow. So now are you going to stop speaking in tongues?” I told him that for now on I’m not going to force any gift to happen. If God gives me the gift its going to have happen just like it did in Acts. Chris was frustrated with me and he thought I was going pass up all the wonder and power of the faith movement. To make my point clear I held up the Bible and told him that for now on I’m going to stay close to the teachings of the Bible and I’m going to attend Northview or a church that is stable.

As we ended our debate Chris told me that if I was going to be like this then he wouldn’t hang around me anymore. I put on the tape that exposes these false teachers so Suzy and Chris could hear the quotes from these various faith teachers but they quickly left. Suzy was listening seriously but Chris grabbed her hand and led her out.Some people don't want to hear truth, they love the lie they are living too much. We never talked since and that was the end of seven years of friendship.

I went to see a old friend of mine Rob, who went through some trauma previously in his life and he spoke highly of a counselor who had helped him. Rob also invited me to a meeting at his Church in Surrey, Victory Christian Center. I have visited that church before his care group meeting in junction with the church. The care group leader was into faith teachers such as Kenneth Copeland and Jesse Duplantes

At this point I still had some faith movement doctrine in my mind and I thought that maybe my confusion was because I left the faith movement. I thought of going back to Henry Hinn’s and begging him to forgive me for thinking he was a false teacher. My mind was very manipulated with the warnings of punishment of those who slander a man of God. They strongly warn,“ do not touch the Lord’s anointed”. I went to my friend’s church in hopes of getting my mind healed from confusion.

The atmosphere of the Church service was very similar to Vancouver Christian Center except they had more hype in the beginning, even more then the Hinn's . At the beginning of the service the praise band was jumping all around the stage. One guy was jumping everywhere while paying his electric guitar as the people cheered him on. It seemed like a big party. After that the band played slower worship songs and everyone started to praise with high intensity. They had a guest speaker and his preaching style was the same as any other faith teacher. After he built up everyone’s expectations he asked the people that if they wanted a touch from God they were to come forward. I didn’t want to go to the front but the care group leader insisted and I was too weak to refuse so I went forward. The people lined up and fell one by one on the ground after they got their “touch from God”. I got touched but I still felt lousy. Rob and I used to be room-mates and he always wanted to hold a morning Bible Study ( I like to pray and study on my own with no ones "opinion") So dragging myself out of my bed early in the morning frequently until I started questioning him on his relationship with his girlfriend (she ministered at Northview on the stage frequently at that time) "Rob, how far did you go with her" "We just did the
'Mennonite Bundling' where they wrap clothes and blankets on each person seperately, hahahha." ... "Were you on the bed with her last night?" " Yes, but I had a board between us , seperating us....hahahhaha" . He wanted to join a mission organisation at the time, thats why he frequently asked for the Bible Study and prayer time. I stopped going to his Bible Study in the living room because of his questionable activities with his girlfriend. Later he admitted he sinned with her sexually. Rob was always trying to sell something to make money, when he visited Victory Christian Center that was just his style- God wants you rich and famous, perfectly healthy, without trials, trials are from the devil etc.

Why am I so upset at these movements? If I can effectively warn one person from one heresy then all the research and effort was worth it. I visit Northview from time to time and let me say that they are on the edge, its so close the devil might be getting anxious about it. Individuals in Northview have dabbled into these false movements but not all the way. The safety net is a sermon on doctrine, or once in a blue moon- the fear of God. It catches them everytime, but it may not always. When the safety net of doctrine, solid preaching is removed then the events will start to take place as a chain reaction. Many are pushing for more "freedom" away from "religion". What they call religion often is the safety net that is saving them, yet in their stubborn agenda they dont see it.

When a Christian ignores the Holy Spirit and goes along with deceit it because its popular or for what ever other reason, he/she lets the guard down and removes some restraints in the mind. This level gets looser and looser until you are not defending any sin in your mind...or very little. Over time it becomes a pattern and you don't even realize it.

The only preachers/ministries I can say are good are: J. Vernon McGee. For preaching that will encourage you to keep walking with Jesus go to David Hockings web site.

Billy Graham said on Larry King live, Dec 25, 1998 discussing about Mormon's beliefs. King asked if there will be sex in heaven, Billy said that there would be if it would make us happy.

On January 21, 1997 Graham told National Television about his acceptance of all religions, here is some of the interview with Larry King:

This atrocity will only get worse as Evangelicals are linking up with Catholics in every area of Christianity, and hey..."if Billy Graham accepts them then why shouldnt I? Im no better then Billy Graham". Thats not the right question; the one to ask is "Will I please God or man?" or " am I really a follower of Jesus or a compassionate reader of His stories?" Are they nice stories to you or do you really believe the Bible?
What if you were tortured for your faith and looking down from the Paradise side of Abraham's bosom ( Hades on the other side) and seeing these over paid, fat cat preachers who care little about truth but a lot about their salary preaching and leading people astray- even to the point of making a mockery of your torture. Many preachers think that the martyrs didn't have to die as the Catholic doctrines, so they say, are very close to Christianity.

Im all for movies that could lead a person to faith in Jesus and there is no doubt a Christian could use the movie as a opportunity to share Jesus with someone but the concern I have is the religion Mel Gibson chose and the personal message he is getting across to the audience. What message? Well we know Catholics believe that Jesus is not the only way into heaven, here is a quote from Mel Gibson when being interviewed by Diane Sawyer- remember millions of people saw this interview and will be effected by what he says:

DS: So when we talked with Gibson and his actors we wondered, does his traditionalist view bar the door to heaven for Jews, Protestants, Muslims?

MG: That is not the case at all—absolutely not. It is possible for people who are not even Christians to get into the kingdom of heaven. It’s just easier and I have to say this because that’s what I believe..."

Mel Gibson started on the right track, seeing his life waste away he wanted to commit suicide in a Las Vegas Hotel then he read some scriptures and they helped him renew a zeal for life. He started out right but got then distracted. Anyone who aproaches the narrow gate (Jesus) will have to ignore the strong men wooing the person away from entering the gate, they stand at the gate offering a "better" deal. It could be pride, a career, or false religion. Just before he entered the narrow gate of Jesus he was drawn into a false religion that doesn't save and Ill explain here.

Mel Gibson is a Romanist- a pre-Vatican sect known to be very conservative. One Romanist Father Feeny, of Sede-Vacantist claims there is no salvation outside of the Roman church. A devoted follower of the Venerable process of sainthood, Anne Catherine Emmerich and her book, "The Dolorous Passion of our Lord Jesus Christ," which is the true inspiration for his film and some scenes of the movie are from that book, not the Bible.

"Let's be abundantly clear: Jesus said, 'I am the way, the truth and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through me' (John 14:6). There is only one way to heaven beloved; it is not through the teachings of the prophet Mohammed, or through Judaistic law-keeping, or by strict adherence to the Roman church and its dictates. It is by grace alone, through faith alone, on the Word alone, because of Christ alone, to the glory of God alone. Can it be any clearer?

I will be going to see the movie this next Monday evening. Though I am confident that this film will be very moving, it, however, was not designed to share the gospel or present the gospel. But what it does do is give each of us a wonderful opportunity to share the true gospel with one of our friends or family members and I hope you will take advantage this situation affords us.

Please pray that we may all be discerning Christians not reacting with just our emotions to this film, but examining it faithfully with the Word of God."

"What is perplexing is that so many churches and evangelical leaders have welcomed Mr. Gibson as a genuine brother in Christ in spite of such dramatic theological inconsistancies of basic gospel doctrine. "Even though Mr. Gibson may pray to saints, and pray to Mary, and he may believe in the fifth Marion dogma, and he may hope for her intercession, and he may think he’s going to purgatory, and he may believe in indulgences, and he may believe in the mass of perpetual sacrifices, and he may deny sola scriptura and deny justification by faith... but he’s my brother anyway?"

This movie will cause people to reflect on Christ, but then what? What direction will they go? Mel Proclaiming that Jesus isn't the only way to heaven and performing sacraments for salvation isn't a good start for the person seeking truth. The movie is not Biblically accurate but has Catholic assumptions added in. ( see errors of the movie here) So what is really is the big deal here? This movie will draw Catholics and Christians together even though they have totally different views on salvation- Christians believe salvation is by faith in Jesus alone apart from works- Catholics believe salvation occurs through the sacraments. During the Reformation when Christians were martyred for their stand "by faith in Jesus alone, by God's grace not of works"

"Totally Riveting, Thoroughly Accurate, and Powerfully Stirring"

CATHOLICS LIKE ALPHA COURSE—The Roman Catholic hierarchy in the USA and Great Britain is accepting, with increasing favor, the "Alpha" evangelism course. 50 parishes in Baltimore have used its curriculum. "Alpha for Catholics" North American coordinator said "while Alpha is not a full presentation of the RC faith, there is hardly anything in the 14 videos that Catholics would find objectionable." Fundamentalist Digest editor Dr. Don Jasmin notes: "Alpha is 'pseudo' evangelism using some Biblical terminology but deleting/subtly changing imperative Bible truths regarding Salvation."

Although CRI has helped lots of people come out of cults I dont agree with Hank on some contentions. Hank's friend and repeated guest on his show is Lee Strobel, Pastor at Willow Creek Community Church who wrote the famous book, "The case for faith". Bill Hybels is the Senior Pastor at Willow Creek Community Church, a near-Chicago megachurch of about 17,000 who attend its seeker-friendly services. Hybels frequently speaks at Robert Schuller's church. From Calvary Contender:

SCHULLER COZIES WITH MUSLIMS—Islam rejects the Jesus of the Bible. Yet Robert Schuller’s compromises with Islam are notorious. From personally preaching in the mosque of the Grand Mufti in Damascus, to allowing the Islamic leader’s cleric son to preach from his own pulpit, these things are nothing new for someone who sponsors Christians and Muslims for Peace at his Crystal Cathedral. He stated to an official of the Muslim American Society that if he [Schuller] came back in 100 years and found his descendants Muslims, it wouldn’t bother him…. (3/02 Berean Call) He was also a keynote speaker for the Unity School of Christianity’s (New Age) conference ridiculing evangelical Christianity; at Unification Church (Moonies) functions with Sun Myung Moon, and at Mormon Tabernacle where he addressed an interfaith event and saluted the Mormon Church (Vantage Point).,

The Calvary Contender wrote an article with information from insider Mary Fairchild who revealed the new path Willow Creek Community Church is taking. She writes: “I went back to Willow Creek earlier this year only to discover my plans to be serving in the women's ministry as a 'Biblical Titus 2 woman' were, in actuality, going to be serving as a 'New Age spiritual guide.' Mystic ways of praying (repeating and meditating) were being taught along with frequent references to Quakers and Catholics. New Age authors like mystic Quakers Parker Palmer and Renovare founder Richard Foster were quoted frequently…” Foster, a Fuller Seminary psychologist, teaches quietism, mantras, centering, Buddhism, Yoga, etc., yet is promoted in thought and books at Willow Creek. You may access the 12-page report at the Web site http://home.attbi.com/~mfairlady or e-mail the author at mfairlady@attbi.com for more information.

Yves Brualt says that the founder of CRI ( Dr. Walter Martin) widow claims that Hank elected himself to be the new president of CRI. She claims Hank handed her a letter to be read while she approached the pulpit at her husbands funeral, she read it not knowing what she was doing. The letter stated that Hank was now the President. Brault furthur claims that Hank stole his idea of 'messmerism' in the faith movement and that Hank makes a laivsh salary.

Just reflecting on visiting a large baptist church in Delta, B.C. The Christian radio ( 106.5) "listener supported radio" "safe for the whole family" advertised a presentation by a well known Physicist on the subject of creation/evolution. This man stated that the six days in Genesis are not literal 24 hour days but rather thousands of years but Genesis says "So the evening and the morning were the first day." - a literal 24 hour day not millions or thousands of years. It seems that no matter what event at any given Church, there was usually some sort of false teaching presented. What is a Christian to do? 106.5 advertises for Henry Hinn at times, play songs from Oneness Pentecostals that deny the Trinity, songs from artists who committed adultery for a better lover remarried without Biblical grounds, Saturday nights they play irreverent grundge but its "safe for the whole family".

'Youre my brother youre my sister, come take me by the hand...But I, I don't care what label you may wear
If you believe in Jesus you belong with me" Mormons and JW's believe in a jesus. So do Catholics.

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I started to warn my friends in the faith movement about the false teachings. I gave them tapes so they could hear the teachings themselves. Very few of them cared to listen to the tape or study the evidence that I presented. One friend, Mike told me that he "feels good" at his church and the people are loving. I asked him, “What about sound doctrine?”. I played the tape over the phone but he just ignored it and started to speak in “tongues” as I played it. I would tell them, “do you know Benny told his whole church that there are not three but nine in the Trinity!

None of them cared. Ron slid the tape back to me and said, “No thanks.”. I told him that one of his favorite preachers, Copeland is on it saying Jesus became a demoniac on the cross, "maybe He did" Ron said sternly. Ron had no freedomw, so he explained, at Mennonite Churches. It was only when he came to Word Faith Churches that his freedom came. And yes, the demons will attack when you are on the narrow raod, as soon as you give in to demonic doctrine there will be
a sense of freedom- freedom from fighting the enemy as you join his camp.

After being rejected by my friends I blitzed more tapes to the leaders in Vancouver Christian Center within two days to prevent tapes being thrown out. One leader wrote back, What is this about? I told him to listen to the tape then it will be obvious.

Here is Ozzy and Kenneth Copeland making the satanic sign. Remember Copeland teaches doctrines of devils.

6. Letter to Henry Hinn

After leaving his church I wrote Henry a letter in hope that he would repent, here it is. It has been edited after I sent him the original letter and I edited out some personal items about Henry in March 2004, concentrating more on his teachings. I have included some links so readers can hear the heresies right from the horses mouth:

Dear Henry Hinn:

Please read the following quotes and compare with the Bible:

," Did you know that from the beginning of time the whole purpose of God was to reproduce Himself? … who are you? Come on who are you? Come on, say it! ; ‘Sons of God "! Come on say it; ‘ Sons of God’! Come on say it! And what does work inside us, brother, is that manifestation of the expression of all that God is and all that God has. And when we stand up here, brother, you’re not looking at Morris Cerullo; you’re looking at God. You’re looking at Jesus. ("The endtime manifestation of the Sons of God". Audio tape 1. Sides 1 & 2. Morris Curello.)

Here is a different quote from Curello, same message

"God came from heaven, became a man, made man into little gods, went back to heaven as a man. He faces the Father as a man. I face devils as the son of God…Quit your nonsense! What else are you? If you say, I am, You’re saying I’m a part of Him, right? Is He God? Are you His offspring? Are His children? You can’t be human! You cant ! You cant! God didn’t give birth to flesh…You said, "Well that’s heresy. No that’s your crazy brain telling you that. (video tape#255, "our position in Christ #2-The Word made flesh. Orlando Christian Center, 1991)

"The believer is called Christ…That’s who we are; we’re Christ! ("Zoe: The God kind of life". Pages 35-36, 41. Kenneth E. Hagin) Hagin:

Teaching of deceiving spirits:

"Man, I feel revelation knowledge already coming on me here. Lift your hands. Something new is going to happen here today. I felt it just as I walked down here. Holy Spirit, take over in the name of Jesus…God the Father, ladies and gentlemen, is a person.; and He is a triune being by Himself separate from the Son and the Holy Ghost. Say what did you say? Hear it! Hear it! Hear it! See, God the Father is a person. God the Holy Ghost is a person. But each one of them is a triune being by Himself. If I can shock you-and maybe I should-there’s nine of them. Huh, what did you say? Let me explain: God the Father, ladies and gentlemen, is a person with His own personal spirit, with his own personal soul, and His own personal body. You say, huh, I never heard that. Well you think you’re in this church to hear things you’ve heard for the last fifty years? You can’t argue with the Word, can you? It’s all in the Word. (Benny Hinn, TBN, October 3 1990)

Benny speaking in tongues...after you hear this you will know what is inside Benny:

"You see, frankly, that's the way I think about it. I'm sorry, I'm not exactly the normal kind of guy, you know, I'm from Israel. Sometimes I wish God would give me a Holy Ghost machine gun, I'd blow your head off."-Benny Hinn

There is one quote that I couldnt put on this site from Benny's wife. This quote was so gross, and blasphemous that I could not
include it. She most likely committed the unpardonable sin.

House of James Copeland books for sale. http://houseofjames.com/store/search.html?searchfor=copeland

Suddenly, in front of this tremendous multitude of people, the Glory of God appeared. The form that I saw was about the height of a man six feet tall, maybe a little taller, and twice as broad as a human body…"(Morris Cerullo, " The miracle book". 1984)

God is doing a lousy job of running the earth:

"God’s on the outside looking in. He doesn’t have any legal entrée into the earth. The thing don’t belong to Him. You see how sassy the devil was in the presence of God in the book of Job? God said, Where have you been? Wasn’t any of God’s business. He didn’t even have to answer if he didn’t want to…God didn’t argue with him a bit! You see, this is the position God has been in…Might say, "Well , if God’s running things He’s doing a lousy job of it." He hadn’t been running ‘em , except when He’s got, you know, a little bit of a chance" ("Image of God in you III".Audio tape#01-1403. Side 1. Kenneth Copeland Ministries)

As you noticed I have not been attending VCC for a long time. After I studied the faith movement more deeply, I found it to be full of false teaching and I have proof, right from their mouths and books. Since what we believe spiritually is the most important detail of our lives it is worth it for you to see if what you teach is truth. It is not a sin to expose false teachers. Apostle Paul wrote about two of them, " Their teaching will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, who have wondered away from the truth." 2 Timothy 2:17-18. So warning people and naming the false teachers’ names is not a sin if it is done with the Bible, witnesses and careful research. I ask you to study these quotes stand or fall against the rule of God’s Word.

Christian tried to stop me from my decision to leave the faith movement but my convictions and fear of God and His Holy Word is why IM staying away from it. One of the last things he said to me is, David , you are never going to grow in faith if you stop . As I raised the Bible I replied,- What’s your problem, I said for now on that Im going to fear God and His Word. This is a very hard letter that I have to write you and I didn’t want to bother but to love your neighbor as yourself also means to warn them if you see them in imminent danger. I did some reading and listening to tapes and reading by various teachers and found their teachings to be in great error. An example is one teacher, that you regard highly, said that the doctrine of the Trinity is from the devil (tape #61-0108, side 2. "The Throne of Mercy and Judgement". Voice of God recordings, 1961. William Branham)

House of James inventory of Benny Hinn books for sale http://houseofjames.com/store/search.html?searchfor=hinn

Another teacher says that God stands 6’1"-6’2" and has a hand span of 9". But the Bible says that God is a Spirit and worshippers must worship Him in spirit and truth. So am I being too critical? That is the question some might ask. But the real question is- are these teachers really getting their truth from God? We all know that the sure way to test a teaching is to compare with the Bible and then and only then can we be safe and assured about it. Feelings and listening to a voice for direction are not too reliable as we see men, including myself, making wrong decision based on what we felt like or thought we heard. God’s Word is the final authority on truth.

God is 6 feet tall? Copeland

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I do believe that God heals and does miracles today, I know He does first hand. There are missionaries and you would find it hard to believe that the Mennonites pray for the sick and anoint people with oil. They never lost the fear of God; they do it publicly, and privately. The problem I found is this;

There is a new Movement that emphasizes experience over truth, feelings above facts. I found that people in this movement aren’t concerned or brush off sin and it doesn’t matter much as long as miracles are being performed. To speak against a teacher who is sinning yet doing "signs and wonders" is to cast him off as "religious" and not understanding things of the "spirit". The truth is that all these teachers have flesh and as long as they do they can be tempted, deceived and led away from God by following passions.

We are commanded to put to death the things of the flesh and then the Holy Spirit can work through us b/c the flesh wars against the Holy Spirit and are contrary. The only way Jesus fought against the devil was to quote scripture and so the Word of God is the only way we can test against false teachings and anything that goes clearly against the Holy Word of God is to be abolished with all diligence and in the fear of God. May God bless you as you read this letter.

The plan that God had made to save men is the most awesome and loving thing that has been ever heard or done. Jesus came in the flesh, lived a perfect life, died on the cross , as a sacrifice and the only sacrifice that would pay the price of All sins and after 3 days rose again in victory . A true realization of this is to be always in wonder of the love of God. It is so awesome that A person who really understands and follows Jesus will do anything that Jesus says. To truly meet Jesus has a dramatic impact on the person, so much that Simon and Andrew left all they had in a moment after meeting Jesus and followed Him. Jesus said that Many will follow the broad road and only a few will enter the narrow gate. He pleads with listeners to follow the narrow road and strive to enter in.

We find that not all make it on the narrow way, one Example is the rich young ruler who approached Jesus and asked Him what he must do to be saved. Jesus told him to sell all he had, give it to the poor and follow Him. Since the young man held his riches higher than Jesus he didn’t follow , and Jesus said- how hard it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle Than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God. Jesus knows our hearts and knows any "gods" that Might be before Him.

Jesus made it clear that no one is saved unless true faith in Him is granted by the Father ( John 6). The Father must draw that person first, then the person's eyes are opened to salvation. Jesus also made it clear that drawing in will cost something; not that we must pay for our salvation but people who chose to follow Christ will suffer. If they crucified Jesus, evil people will harm us. In His fairness, Jesus had to prepare believers to the cost of discipleship in a statement that shocked the hearers, it was a statement that wasn’t easy to listen to ;

"If anyone would come after Me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow Me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for Me will save it. What good is it for a man to gain the whole world , and yet lose or forfeit his very self ? If anyone is ashamed of Me or My words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when He comes in His Glory and in the Glory of the Father and of the holy angels" Luke 9:23-28

"If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters-yes even his own life-he cannot be my disciple. And anyone who does not carry his cross and follow Me cannot be my disciple. Suppose one of you wants to build a tower. Will he not first sit down and estimate the cost to see if he has enough money to complete it? For if he lays the foundation and is not able to finish it, everyone who sees it will ridicule him, saying, "This man began to build and was not able to finish. Or suppose a king is about to go to war against another king. Will he not first sit down and consider whether with ten thousand men to oppose the one coming against him with twenty thousand? If he is not able, he will send a delegation while the other is still a long way off and will ask for terms of peace. In the same way anyone of that does not give up everything he has cannot be My disciple." Luke 14:26-33

Either the Lord really commands complete obedience to Him and His word or He doesn’t. Either He is just joking when He told us about commitment to Him and His Word or He is very serious. Are there verses In the New Testament that say if a Christian is in sin and not repenting and stopping it; lets say adultery, drunkenness, greed, lying, will that Christian still be alright in God’s eyes.? Well today preachers are saying yes , that Christian is under liberty and is still justified:

" Since we have these promises, dear friends, let us purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God" 2 Corinthians 7:1

"Make every effort to live in peace with all men for without holiness no one will see the Lord" Hebrews12:14

" See that no one is sexually immoral or godless like Esau, who for a single meal sold his inheritance rights as the oldest son." Hebrews 12:16

"..continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling" Philippians 2:12

"Come back to your senses as you ought, and stop sinning; for there are some who are ignorant of God- I say this to your shame" 1Corinthians 15:33

Since Apostle Paul and Jesus said these words, it is a sin to call these verses legalistic. Also they are not from the Law in the Old Testament, these are commands that God has for any believer. It seems to me that God wants Holiness from us and to obey His Word and if you stand up and quote this or other verses like this, you are labeled "religious". Is it really religious? Or is it obedience and those who claim to be spiritual are leading people into a mindset that is sinful, yet they justify it by saying that the spiritual person isn’t bound by this verse or others. They will find out on the last day.

So what happened to sound teaching and doctrine?. What happened to the value if a good conscience before God? False teachings have hit the church and people with itching ears don’t test the teachings by the Word of God, they accept anything coming to them. They are easily led astray.

"There were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Sovereign Lord who bought them… many will follow their shameful ways and bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up"2 Peter2:1-3

The truth has been changed ever so secretly and with no testing from God’s people. The Bible teaches that true faith is simply-trust in God. True faith in God is demonstrated in Hebrews 11; they didn’t visualize or speak things into existence; they chose, blessed, obeyed, built, offered, understand by faith:

"By faith Moses chose to be mistreated."

"By faith Isaac Blessed Jacob"

"By faith Abraham obeyed"

"By faith Noah built an ark"

"By faith Abel offered"

" By faith we understand that God created the world"

False faith puts faith in your faith, which leads the person to rely on their Words, their visualization , their faith instead of- faith in God -it’s a faith in ones own ability to have faith. It’s a formula that gets a person lost in a quandary of his ability to do the faith formula right. It’s a life of perfecting that "formula" and if the person didn’t -…, shoot " I have to renounce that word I spoke before it comes to true" and if the person followed the formula he is quite happy of his efforts and awaits the thing to become into existence. Is this faith in God, or is it faith in faith? Just because I say "IM saved" and receive it actually doesn’t mean IM saved. What is it that justifies me?- My rest and trust in Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross for my sins, this is my way to heaven.

If the faith formula really worked, God would be a slave to our confessions and words, which He is not, God is totally Supreme and Sovereign. There is not a word uttered that will do anything except what

God approves or wills, which brings us back to trust in God as true faith. Here is a shocking quote worth looking at:

"Now this is a shocker! But God has to be given permission to work in this earth realm on behalf of man…Yes! You are in control! So, if man has control, who no longer has it? God…When God gave Adam dominion that meant God no longer had dominion. So, God cannot do anything in this earth unless we let Him. And the way we let Him or give Him permission is through prayer."

(Frederick Price, p 1178, "the Word Study Bible" section on prayer " Do you know what prayer is…and how to pray?)

James 3 gives a warning for any shepherd who teaches false doctrine. How will a person stand before God on judgment day after teaching this? Is it really true that faith teachers think this and that faith in God is not true faith but rather faith in faith? And by vain repetition and ramblings will produce the true faith God is looking for? Read this for A jolt!;

"…It would help you to get faith down in your spirit to say out loud, ‘Faith in my faith!’. Keep saying it until it registers on your heart. I know it sounds strange when you first say it; your mind almost rebels against it. But we are not talking about your head; were talking about faith in your heart"- E.W. Kenyon, later repeated by Kenneth Copeland and Kenneth Hagin. Book- "Having faith in your faith" Tulsa, Kenneth Hagin ministries, 1988.

Teaching to put faith in your faith puts the person in a confusing loop that left God out of the cycle. God, is now replaced by the person with faithmovement faith, making that person -god.

True faith is trust in God. Mark 11:22-says this; "Have faith in God" Jesus answered." I tell you the truth, if anyone says to this mountain, ‘Go throw your self into the sea’ and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it will be done for him. Therefore I tell you, what ever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. And when you stand praying, If you hold anything on anyone, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins."

By reading this passage it is clear that we are to put our trust in God,-"Have faith in God", not our words. Also it is clear that God brings about the end result, i.e.- it is Him who determines where the mountain will land. Also it is clear that He is the one doing it –"it will be done for him", not "it will be done by him". It is not our words or effort but by faith in God’s ability and Mighty Power. It is clear God gives the request, it is not us who take it- "believe that you have received it", not " believe you have taken it". Lastly, this will only happen when we pray and according to His will:

" This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us. 1 John 5:14.

Sadly, Benny Hinn teaches that we should never pray to God and say, "If it is your will." Even Jesus prayed, “…not My will but Your will be done” in the garden of Gethsemane before suffering and dying on the cross for our sins.

Before leaving the passage of praying with faith in Mark 11, I found it interesting that a faith teacher deliberately changed one word in his own Bible edition .That word is "in".

"Have faith in God" (v.22) . In the Kenneth Copeland Reference Edition of the Holy Bible, he adds a little note stating that the verse should say, " Have the faith of God". If Copeland is right then we would have the same amount of faith as God does, we could do what God can do, making us God. This is right from the pit of hell and I saw Copeland books for sale at House of James in Abbotsford, even after sending a warning letter to Lando he ignores the warning. The rich established Mennonite pampered , easy living, businessmen dont regard a poor painters request to stop selling these books that contain doctrine of demons. Fiesen, Froesen, Toews and Freezen frozen hearts that have the blessings of generations who bought land for cheap and sold off to developers and their descendents came into a pile of money thereafter. Many in this group are known for hiring cheap labour and lining their pockets but claim they love their neighbor as themselves. When they do give its to the wrong ministries that promote Alpha or to a relief effort that money is diverted to rebels since they dont have to use the money that was reserved for rebuilding in case of a disaster. Many have even given to faith teachers who teach doctrines of demons.

This gross error in translating the verse

is typical with faith teachers as they often "shoot from the hip" when interpreting scripture. All Greek scholars agree, including A.T. Robertson who is the most respected Greek scholar-they all agree that the proper translation is "Have faith in God."

The other gross mistranslation is Hebrews 11:1 " Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen".(KJV). The more accurate translation is the NASB, which reads," assurance" instead of the word "substance". Kenneth Copeland states , " Faith is the raw material substance that the Spirit of God used to form the universe". The word "substance" in Greek is hypostasis, if you refer to A Greek dictionary it means " being sure " and "assurance", which is far from the meaning "tangible stuff" As translated by Copeland, hardly a Greek scholar.

Assurance in God is the basis of true faith not sssurance in words. In Charles Capp’s book,("God’s Creative Power" p.2-3) he says precisely the same thing as Copeland, mistranslating "Have faith in God" to "Have faith of God". Simply put, its amateurs messing with a language they can’t translate. The Jehovah witnesses and Mormons do the same. The lack of fear for God and the outcome of mistranslating His Word is rampant in this movement.

The deification of man, demotion of God, deification of satan, redemption in hell, cons, prosperity as true blessings, no suffering for Jesus and the gospel are also taught among faith teachers, but the teaching stems far back.

Cult leader Rajneesh took the title of Bhagwan Shree (meaning "Sir God") He had the arrogance to announce," When You call Jesus, you are really have called me. When you call me , really you have called Jesus". Another Cult teacher, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi mistranslated the famous verse to say , " Be still and know that you are God". Jim Jones yelled out," It is written that ye are gods. IM a god and you’re a god. Willy Hinn teaches the same thing as I heard him last summer (1999). The true meaning is ye are "judges". What is the root of these teachings then?

Phineas Quimby (1802-1866) A New age guru who taught that Through the power of positive confession and visualization, a person could be healed. Metaphysical Practitioners have long taught to visualize health and wealth and to confess it with all energy. Teaching the law of "attraction"- negative thoughts attract negative circumstances, positive thought attracts positive circumstances. Thoughts can be either creative or destructive. (page 149-The Counterfeit Christ of the New Age Movement" Ron Rhodes ,1990) Does this sound familiar?

"I had a witch tell me this…She said," You know that we are taught in witchcraft how to kill birds with words and how to kill people with our mouth…We are taught with words to bring disease on, on, on men…by speaking certain words that defeat them." She can actually cause sickness that could very well kill. She said, "With words, I used to kill birds, I used to kill birds." She said she said she would speak to a bird and the bird would drop dead…I said ,"Dear God, I didn't know the devil had such power." And the Lord spoke to me, and He said," The Devil can kill with words, then you with your words can bring life." And it just come and clicked inside of me, brother…And we Christians don’t realize the power in our mouths. (Benny Hinn, Praise the Lord" Program on TBN June 1 1989)

Isn’t it interesting that he compares what he teaches with the teachings of the witch. Benny Hinn also admits to visit the grave site to get an anointing. This is also a cultic practice believing that energy flows from the bones of the dead. I know the story that he uses to justify this practice of the ‘prophets anointing in his bones’ . First, Khulman has been proven to be a false prophetess and was involved in a sexual scandal that made a married preacher divorce his wife to marry Khulman. Second, if Benny knew scripture he would know that woman are not to teach a man in reference to preaching the Word of God. He was lead astray from day one and you followed Benny and so on.

The teaching that faith is a "force" and to visualize your miracle are not rediscovered at all, they have been with the new-age and metaphysical cults a very long time ago. True faith is more than words or visualization, true faith is simply-trust in God. Hebrews 11 , not in our words. Kenneth Hagin says;

" Man… was created on terms of equality with God, and he could stand in front of God’s presence without any consciousness of inferiority…God has made us as much as Himself as possible…He made us in the same class of being that He is Himself…Man lived in the realm of God. He lived on equal terms with God…The believer is called Christ…that’s who we are; we’re Christ!" ( Kenneth E Hagin, "Zoe, The God kind of Life"p.35-36, 41.)

Here comes Morris Cerullo-"Did you know that from the beginning of time the whole purpose was to produce Himself?…Who are you? Come on, who are you? Come on say it!: ‘Sons of God’ , Come on ,say it! And what does work inside us ,brother, is that manifestation of the expression of all that God is and all that God has. And when we stand up here , brother, you are not looking at Morris Cerullo; you’re looking at God. You’re looking at Jesus.( the end time manifestations of the Sons of God, audio tape 1, sides 1 and 2) John Avanzini preaches the same stuff as well.

I sadly admit, I have believed this false teaching myself. I used to listen to Copeland’s tapes over and over and adapt the kind of faith he was teaching.

Now that I am away from false teaching I am thinking more sensibly. First, she was too young for me. Second, it wasn’t God’s will for me to marry into a preacher’s home that is a false teacher. I have to admit with shame that I was not using my brain or conscience that God gave me but I was half crazed listening to Copeland, Dollar, Benny and yourself. During my stay at VCC I learned to put off and not even caring about paying bills, being sly with money and greed , ‘deceiving and being deceived’. I was running with friends that were unstable and feared you more than God’s Word, clearly seeing scams but unwilling to heed warnings from God’s Word. It’s such a freedom to be released from that bondage. I thank the Lord that I have my sanity back again and my fear for the Lord and His Word. I learned a huge lesson; Do not take it lightly when someone is showing fruits of a false teacher.

In 2Peter 2, the Bible gives the characteristics of false teachers:

Verse 1.

"But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction"

Verse 2-

"..the way of truth will be blasphemed".- They will bring the way of truth into disrepute and give a bad reputation for Christ because of a ministry of sins done in Jesus name. Ex. Shifty money handling and loose morals, indecent jokes that cause unbeleivers to look and be disgusted at "Christianity" on TV. They will exploit people, use new Christians with little foundation in the Word.

Verse 3

In their greed they will make up stories to get a large money offering. " By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber"

Verse 10

-" and especially those who walk according to the flesh in the lust of uncleanness and despise authority. They are presumptuous, self-willed. They are not afraid to speak evil of dignitaries,"

They are bold and arrogant (Henry yelling at the staff frequently), calling all the shots (he directs the whole show) and not accountable to anyone. Speaking evil of dignitaries- Charasmatics put down Moses, David, the disciples in effort to make them look even more holy then the dignitaries of old. "New wine" "End time restoration" "Third wave" "Prophetic movement" "Signs and wonders" they claim greater signs and wonders then the Apostles.

Verse 14

They love to entice unstable souls and have eyes full of adultery-" having eyes full of adultery and that cannot cease from sin, enticing unstable souls. They have a heart trained in covetous practices, and are accursed children. "

Verse 17

Wells without water, the facade is that your soul will get refreshed by them but its a illusion-"These are wells without water, clouds carried by a tempest, for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever."

Verse 18-22

They have mastery in alluring through lustful words." For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped from those who live in error. 19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage. 20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. 21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. 22 But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: "A dog returns to his own vomit," and, "a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire."

I learned that when you hear scripture twisting, don’t wink and ignore it. Take it very seriously b/c the preacher claims to be hearing from God. God is not going to come down and warn us to our face, He already gave His Holy Word for us to read and obey it and if I knew my Bible better, I would have ran out and stayed out. This next part is for you and I will edit it out on my web page b/c some of it could get you into trouble with ******* My goal is not to get you in jail but to give evidence that the movement you were "saved" in and believe is full of false doctrine and it is not the same Gospel as Christians believe. It is a different gospel altogether. So with out further delay, here is my findings;

1) You are in danger of disobeying God and false teachings. This regards your handling of God’s Word:

"we must obey God rather than men" Acts 5:29

"whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant" Matthew 20:26

"Look! The wages you failed to pay the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cry of the harvesters the ears of the Lord Almighty" James 5:4

2) Prophecies you gave did not come true (regarding the relocating of your church, the year of Jubilee and promises of 99 being the year of "debt free" for the VCC members.) The Bible says to test a prophet by what he prophesied. If it comes true than he is a good prophet (if he doesn't lead people away from the Lord), if it doesn’t than he spoke from his own belly and is a false prophet.

3) You don’t even believe what you preach; You confidently proclaim that if you give sacrificially, then you will receive and will have no lack. Is this the kind of faith it takes to want to avoid paying your workers? If you really believed that if you gave sacrificially that you might even gain 100 fold than you would be giving money away quickly to get the return. I can attest that workers didn’t even get paid or if they did it was only a fraction and it was late. This teaching is another ploy of the faith teachers to fill up their wallets. Instead of feeding the sheep, they are fleecing the sheep. Jesus was talking about spiritual blessings and yes the Lord may choose to also bless financially but that’s not His main concern for us- its first spiritually than in other areas. The Apostles often went cold, hungry, persecuted, and knew how to be content in all situations. If we have food and clothing we are told to be content, why? This earth isn’t our home and if we forget that then the Father has to remind His children. I’m looking forward to heaven. Those who seek to gain riches fall into many snares, the Bible says and the parable of the seed choked in the thorns is from the cares, riches, of this life. Why are these teachings not taught be faith teachers? Are they afraid of these verses b/c it contradicts their theology?

They believe a "different gospel" and some believe a "different Jesus" (2 Corinthians 11:3-4) A false Jesus. The Jesus in the Bible has a totally different character than what these teachers boldly proclaim.

4) The final straw. After exactly one year of attending VCC, it was last summer at the Sunday evening service (healing service July99) which would be my last. You had the people make an offering as you were "under the anointing", you clearly had no regard for Jesus command when giving,- and when you give don’t let your right hand know what your left hand is doing". You asked anyone who could give 1000.00$ to get up to the front, then you went on and told the church not to get religious -don’t let your right hand know what your left hand is doing -and just come in front, in a sarcastic tone. By then I heard enough and my eyes were totally open after exactly one year of attendance. Can you really justify going against Jesus’ Words and be even bold about it?

5.) Inviting false teachers. Some guests were good like the missionary that worked the streets in LA, and maybe 1 or 2 more. Pastor Hahn taught VCC that Judas Iscariot was doing Jesus a favor by turning Him in to the Sanhedrin b/c he wanted to prove every one that Jesus, being God’s Son, couldn’t get arrested. When it failed he hung himself. (The Bible doesn’t teach this, Judas wasn’t trying to do Jesus a favor but rather "satan entered him" and then Judas went to the Sanhedrin). The "Pastor" was under the "anointing so much that "everyone fell and the chairs had to be removed" according to Chris . Thank God my car broke down on the way to VCC so I missed that night, since I didn’t get paid from you for working on your house I couldn’t fix my car. Isn’t God good? I know the answer now. He saved me from nights of heavy false teaching. Its true, everything does work for the good for those who love Jesus.

I thought about you and the question: does Henry really know that he is teaching false doctrine? I believe you don’t realize it. You were taught under your brothers ministry and he was taught by others (quotes above). You listened to Hagin’s tapes over and over to get the message deep in your mind.I believe this is the strongest warning you will get and you know me pretty good and you know that I care enough to write. Test the quotes with God’s Holy Bible and don’t be deceived. You will have to publicly renounce false faith teaching and repent.

I always wondered what was your reaction when you happen to read the verses that speak about the deceit of riches, suffering, holiness in all aspects of life, etc. We are to be rich in our heavenly account, not our earthly one and to share with those in need. The love of money is the root of all evil and when someone is in this snare, they cant even see it until the Lord has to ‘pull the rug’ from under them to awake them. This is my prayer for you that you may be able to stand in front of God on that day.

The checks were small and delayed. Later I didn’t get paid enough to fix my VW Rabbit (if you see a brother in need and turn away can the love of God abide in that person?) but you made excuses and bought a new Mercedes. I left the church b/c I knew that the way a person handles money speaks about the person. Christian called me and told me that I made a mistake by leaving and I left the "anointing". Since I believed this I wanted to come back. Brent called and said, "Pastor said he will pay you if you come back" I came back and we hugged and you said that you were sorry you forgot the check but will bring it next week. Empty promises lingered the check never transpired and after a few weeks I just said to ‘forget it.’

Shifty business practices were clearly seen by all including your leaders who fear you more than God’s word. If they feared God’s word they would have did you a favor by reproving you with God’s Word, why didn’t they? They did not do you a favor by their silence. After reading this letter, I believe there will be no excuse and I hope you get humbled by the Lord b/c the Lord will discipline all who are truly His as a father disciplines His child. I hope the leaders of VCC will finally fear God more than you and leave. A true man of God fears God’s Word more than any man including you. They just kept on supporting and encouraging you into more deceit.

Jesus said whoever is unfaithful in the least things Will be unfaithful in much. In my presence, at your home I heard and saw such things that grieved my soul. We are saved by God’s grace but a person becomes new, -old things pass away. If Jesus wasn’t serious about holiness He wouldn’t have said, "If anyone would come after Me, he must deny himself daily and take up his cross and follow Me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it.." Jesus commands daily self-denial. True blessings that where taught by Jesus were not materialistic. Here’s another part of the Bible brushed off by false teachers:

Blessed are you who thirst for righteousness

Blessed are you when men speak evil of you on account of Me (not false teachings but for Jesus)

Blessed are the poor in spirit

Blessed are the merciful

Blessed are the peace makers

A person is not religious if he obeys and fears the word of God enough to leave when he sees false teaching. A person doesn’t have a "religious spirit" just b/c they want to be obedient. That’s a tactic false teachers to avoid getting rebuked for unrighteous actions. In your circles, a man is called religious if he fears God and His Word and flees from anyone professing freedom but they themselves are a slave to sin. ( love of money, pride, boasting, false doctrines) 2 Peter 2.

The fact that under your own testimony you were saved in one of your brother’s meetings is scary for all the evidence points to Benny as a deceiver. The simplist way to see the truth is to see how the teacher lives their lives and listen to see if they teach stuff that goes against God’s Word.

Matthew 7...the fruits of a false teacher and they still think they are serving Jesus:

15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' 23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

Who will these people be on that day? Well we know:

1) They thought they were doing mighty works in Jesus’ name

2) At the same time they worked “lawlessness” and somehow thought that they were still saved and even justified their sin. This is the perfect recipe for what I found to be true in the faith movement, which isn’t really faith in God.

If you can build up the "anointing" to a point where people can start getting healed either by a touch on the forehead, a punch in the stomach (Copeland), a Slap in the face. Jesus gave all men the rule of thumb to use to determine false teachers- their fruit, that’s all we really need To see is how a teacher lives his life everyday. I believe God heals but not under the umbrella of greed, false teaching, and mysticism. There is a classic illustration of this found in the Bible:

"I solemnly consecrate my silver to the Lord for my son to make a carved image and cast an idol. I will give it back to you" ( Judges 17:3 )

This lady actually thought that she was spiritual for dedicating silver to build a idol. In her delusion she was disobeying God and worshipping an idol. She couldn’t see what she was doing, as all that are in this deceit are blinded. This is what the faith movement does today, finding the verses that will make people sacrifice but they do it as to an idol of greed and an attitude of "give to get".

In Summary:

In the circles of the faith movement they teach that

a)God is a physical being, about 6’ tall (Bible says that God is a Spirit).

b) That He is a slave to our "words" spoken in faith, the request must be granted and "He has to get permission from us" to do the miracles ( the Bible says that God is the Ruler and Sovereign over all. He is not subject to any of our words or prayers and only answers "according to His will" )

c)That "God is the biggest failure" ever.(Copeland)

d)There are really nine in the Trinity, not three. (Hinn)

e) We are little gods and we have deity.(many)

f) Faith is a "force" that creates miracles. ( The Bible say that faith is trust in God, assurance and rest in Him.)

g) The teachers are usually cold to people who don’t get their miracle. They will even mock them. They are bold, arrogant, and haughty. (Not like the Jesus of the Bible- humble, loving, meek, strong, Holy and gentle.)

h) They run from hardship and seek health and wealth, always coming up with a new story with manipulating teachings of tithing and giving. The money is usually squandered on luxury and expensive cars. When Jesus told the disciples that He was going to suffer much and be crucified, Peter rebuked Jesus for talking about suffering-

Matthew 16:21-23 21 From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day. 22 Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, "Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!" 23 But He turned and said to Peter, "Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men."

False brethren also run from persecution of the cross of Jesus and teach the gospel of indulgence instead. Jesus rode on a donkey (poor transportation at that time ), didn’t have any place of His own to rest His head. He was despised and rejected. A Man of sorrows, acquainted with grief. He taught self denial not self -indulgence. One cannot read too far in the New Testament to see the Jesus of the Bible is not the same Jesus as taught by faith teachers. One would only continue in this movement if they don’t have any fear of God.

The quotes given are from the faith teacher’s own books and tapes that are listed in the glossary of the book, ‘Christianity in Crisis’

The attitude of Jesus and the apostles was humble service. The Bible says that Jesus was meek and gentle in heart. In your meetings there was little respect for God’s word on church order such as tongues and interpretation. If someone speaks in tongues and there is no interpretation, its not according to God’s Word. Every good deceit has a lot of truth, it takes much study and prayer to be sharp and discerning spirits and truth. I pray that God will give you this so you can escape the destruction waiting everyone who doesn’t follow Jesus, the true Jesus. Not a designer Jesus with tons of cash and a arrogant attitude like the one that the faith teachers made up.

"The Agony of Deceit" song by Steve camp (CONSIDER THE COST CD)

They are wolves in sheep’s clothing they will try to seduce your soul, Teaching doctrines of demons, lies are all they know.

They are prophets of destruction, these are new age heretics. They say they will show the way of salvation.

but their cross is a bloodless stick.

They are clouds with out water, they have hearts trained in greed. They are like wild animals and you are the food they eat.

Depraved in their minds, Deprived of the truth they promise prosperity but the cash they steal from you will buy the coffin to seal their defeat.

They have eyes full of adultery, never cease from sin.

Exalted in heresy, deception is their friend. Speaking out prideful words of vanity, they entice by fleshly desires.

Like a dog goes back to its vomit you see, like a sow wiles in the mire!

This is the agony of deceit, promising truth with lies they teach, o they come in Jesus name but are sons of Hades-this is the agony of deceit.

7. Coming back to the Father's arms.

I was slowly healing and just lived a recluse life of working and trying to make sense of Christianity today. My main priority was to get back to the basics of true Christian doctrine and to get the life I had before the faith movement.I just wanted those good old days back when I had a strong assurance in God and I didn’t know the deceit that was out there in the other churches. Going back to my roots I started attending the traditional church that I was brought up in. Over time my mind started to heal again being away from heretical preachers and lukewarm influences.

The more I studied the faith movement, the more I was shocked to learn that it is gaining popularity very rapidly with Christians today. Time after time I saw Christians accepting this movement as of God. One day I received a email from Mildred, a African internet friend that I haven’t for about half a year. The last time I mailed her was when I was still involved in the faith movement and Mildred finally wrote me with excitement about being a counselor at Benny Hinn’s crusade in Africa. The timing was outstanding because I had recently listened to a clip of Hinn on the radio where Benny prophesied that Jesus will appear physically in churches and he also told the audience that Jesus might show up on the platform in the upcoming Africa crusade. Mildred was there and she said that it was wonderful. She prayed with Africans to received Jesus.

I mentioned the prophecy to Mildred and she said that she remembered him saying that before he came to Africa. I asked her if Jesus showed up on the platform and she said no. I asked her to read Mathew 24 where Jesus warned that false teachers will say that the Christ is in the desert or that He is in the inner room:

Matthew 24:23-29

. 23 Then if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or 'There!' do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand. 26 Therefore if they say to you, 'Look, He is in the desert!' do not go out; or 'Look, He is in the inner rooms!' do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28 For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together. 29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. NKJV

I asked her that if I send her proof of Hinn prophesying that Jesus will return physically in churches, would she heed Jesus warning or Benny’s prophecy. I sent her the tape to and she realized that it was the quote she heard and that Benny was a false prophet. She didn’t know what to tell the new converts that accepted Jesus at the Benny Hinn crusade. I advised her to keep holding Bible studies and be more cautious in the future. I pray that those people in Africa believed in the real Jesus and the real gospel.

During my whole healing process after leaving the faith movement I met a young lady at Roaring 20’s, Janalle. After talking with her a little I found out that she had stopped attending Northview and was attending a Pentecostal church called Christian Life Assembly. I asked her out for the Friday but she had plans to attend the meeting there, so we agreed to meet at the meeting. That church was having a “Fire and freedom” Revival and was going on in Asuza street fashion. I wasn't so worried about finding her any longer as I started to think of this girl as a trap like the other Charasmatics I was interested. The singer was repeating verses over and over and some of the people were swaying in the pews in a semi-trance state. A teen came forward with a white plastic bag and the singer asked him about the bag. The teen said that there was calendars, videos and CD’s that God wanted him to throw away. The singer went on and praised God for the repentance and tried to put his hands on the teen to pray for him but then the teen put his hands on the singer and started to pray for him! Then the teen turned to the audience and boldly looked around sternly at everyone. I thought about this verse:

Matthew 6:1

"Beware of practicing your righteousness before men to be noticed by them; otherwise you have no reward with your Father who is in heaven.

When God convicts you to throw away pornos, just smash the tapes and rip the pictures,throw it in the trash and make it private, at least I think that would be the right way.

I found out from my friend Evie, a pastors daughter who used to attend that church, that Christian Life Assembly invited pastor Steve Hill from the “Pensacola Florida out-pouring”. He spoke at one of the “fire and freedom “ rallies that the church held. The connection started to come together for me. I read about Steve Hill before and heard him make false statements on the doctrine of Jesus atonement on the cross. During one of Steve’s meetings a young man fell to the floor and started to moan and groan and this is what Steve said about it:

“Now some of you are watching this young man up here. I want to tell you exactly what he is doing, and then I want you to turn your eyes from him. He’s interceding for your soul. Some of you are on the verge — it’s like we’ve got you with a thread and you’re hanging over hell. Its intercession in the deepest form right here. It’s moaning and groaning, words that can’t be uttered. God’s put it on him. You can’t tell me God doesn’t love you, friend. You can’t tell me God doesn’t love you when He will stricken[sic] another young man who loves God with all his heart, cause him to fall to the ground and experience the moaning and groaning and the birth pains. He’s giving birth to you, friend. He’s giving spiritual birth to you. He’s dying for you right now. He’s dying that you might have life.

(Steve Hill, Brownsville Assembly of God, 30 May 1996; videotape.)

Now, we know that only Jesus died that we may have life so it’s clear that Steve has a problem with sound doctrine and interpreting phenomena that happens in his church. The “Pensacola Revival is known for other strange manifestations in the church like people shaking with intensity. John Kilpatrick, the senior pastor of the Pensacola Church warned Hank Hanegraaff to not speak against this out-pouring anymore. He warned Hank with a stern prophecy that if he continued to speak against the Revival then “in 90 days the Holy Ghost will bring you down!” That prophecy was made in 1997 and nothing has happened to Hank and he never stopped warning Christians about the false doctrine at that Revival.(Kilpatrick false prophecy. Evie claimed that Steve’s night at the “fire and freedom” revival in Langley was the most powerful one of the whole summer. This just confirmed to me that Christians are looking for wonders and feelings and not watching out for false doctrine. Buddies that frequent CLA tell me of some gross stuff going on there...sex in the bathroom, oral sex by the stairs. I doubt there is a revival there. Its something else. I left the meeting without even talking to her and didn't care to talk with her anymore.

When someone is on this path its like they are stuck on a rail road track. You can try to help them see the truth but few care about truth once they have 'caught the fire'. From my experiences with people very few will repent once they are into a movement or a vision of the Church that isn't from God. People, including me, are very stubborn creatures and they dont even see it. You can send proof of heresy of Alpha to leaders and elders but they just ignore it. The vision of the Church is what counts to them, the collective agreement on doctrine and popular issues is the standard, not the Bible. The friendly people they meet, the worship they love, the atmosphere is more important then the truth.

God will warn during their life time but if they ignore the warnings then serious consequences follow. A person can ignore God to the point of making many bad decisions in life on worship, books to read, career, even marriage. Can a person really marry someone out of God's will? Certainly yes. Its like the person who thinks God will stop them from jumping off a bridge. God will convict, yes...God will try to reach the person yes... A person may warn them on their way to the deck, but only to be ignored. Then the person stands there, "Well God Im going to do it, you seem to approve so now catch me". God set the rules of gravity down and wont catch that person due to their stubborness

No God didn't approve of it and He tried to reach the person but stubborn will always gets in the way. Its important to be humble and sensitive to God, this means reading His word not hearing voices or any other switch for truth. So did you marry the wrong one? Maybe you did...but maybe you didn't. A bad marriage could bring you closer to God and that might have been His will. In any case divorce is not an option. We have many trials in life and blame God for them but do we divorce Him for the pain? No , we stay and keep trying to serve even in deep pain because we look forward to a perfect place where pain is something obsolete.

This is a toughy because many go through tremendous pain and I dont want to paint everyone in with the same brush but there is only one reason I can make any sense at all about trials. If the person never had a trial and lived the dream life like say Carmen Electra, who has a seemingly perfect body, married celebrities, has enough cash to keep her in luxury for the rest of her life, but this is the clincher: What if she is going to hell? Is all the beauty and fame and health worth it? Fast forward it to when a person is getting cast into that huge lake of fire for eternal torment. I bet Carmen would trade in her beauty and health for eternal life in heaven. Yes, if you havent been gifted with health and beauty then your life will be a torment-for now. This time on earth is short, it will pass away soon. When I was kid I wanted to grow up fast to experience life to the fullest. When I was in my 20's it was like one party after another, then you hit 30 and realise life is passing fast and you want it to slow down but time doesn't stop. We are all fast forwarding to grey hair, wrinkles, health problems and death. If this is all there is in life, no God , no heaven, I can see why suicide would be the best option. But thank God there is a life after death and there is a God to please. Get to know Him and your life will be full...but not without trials, however He will be there for you.

Some go through tremendous pain that would make the average Christian trial seem like a drive through the mountains. Remember Jesus in pain , taking on all the sins of the world, also remember Martyrs were tortured, being in pain for Jesus isn't only for you, its for many. The typical Christian in Abbotsford has been insulated by parents, Christian School, and live a very blessed life- but not everyone is this blessed. Thank God if this is you because only a small fraction of the world is that blessed, be careful on how you live because you could jepordise all your peace and joy in a brief moment of wrong decisions.

The handicapped person may blame God and live in deep pain everyday of their lives but the trials kept them from a sinful lifestyle. Before I got sucked into the movement a dear hadicapped brother who couldnt move without the control stick on his wheel chair and he could barely speak. We were sitting at checkers (Northview's cafe) after Roaring 20's with many attractive females around he barely got the words out and I could hear the pain in his voice, "Why did God allow this for me". I was stunned and couldnt speak at first. I thought about it and said something like, "To tell you the truth I dont know why and no one here can know for certain, but I do know that you have more faith in God then anyone here in this room". Just who else would keep attending Church while everyone around was living the dream? Handicap people face pain that many will never know. It may sound like a blanket statement but the Christian handicap person is usually more spiritual then the Pastor preaching on the stage. Its the truth. The Pastor may go in a fury when stuck in traffic, the handicap person would tell him; " Be thankful you can drive". The Pastor may shun a person who is trying to send them info on deceit in their Church (ahem.. like Northview) Northview Pastors, for your information minister means to serve, not to get a high pay for six months work (if that, all hours totalled)

During my repenting from the faith movement those words I said to that dear handicap brother seemed so foriegn to me that I could hardly believe that I spoke them. I wondered what my life would be like if I never strayed. Im sure I missed many opportunities and I know in my stubborness I rejected some who didn't have faith movement "faith".

Looking back I can now trace my straying from truth during a time of lukewarm Christianity in my life. I dabbled into a sinful lifestyle, though not full blown- still enough to keep me from being sensitive to God. Lusting after females, laughing at foolish jokes, drinking one too many beers, though never losing control it was enough to keep me weak. I knew I had to change and the promises of the faith movement with the mighty miracles, intense worship, at first seemed to be the answer. I see now they were the part of the slide that turned steeply down to the slime.

If this lukewarmness sounds like your life dear friend, there is no Alpha or movement that will set you free. Humbly repenting of sins, reading the Bible, zeal and obedience to the Lord will get you out of that mess. Dont get distracted from reading the Bible and staying in truth for there are many lies out there.

After I saw all these false teachings creeping into the local churches I went on a campaign to warn Christians about the faith movement and false revivals. I sent email letters of my story to about 8 of my pastors at Northview. Then I placed tapes in their slots to give them evidence of what I wrote in the emails. I got no response at all. I heard that the large Church has a gag rule on contrevorsial subjects. Obviously I felt like they didn’t see the faith movement as harmful. The letter gave details of my straying from the church and I mentioned another 5 full-time attendees of Northview leaving to be involved in the movement. That didn’t raise enough concern for them to write me ....not even one sentence and needless to say I felt betrayed. If my pastors have no time for me then they arent doing their job.

Ken is one of the brothers that left Northview for the faith movement. Ken started to attend the Father's house Christian center, before this he used to operate the camera at Northview.
He went on to tell me that he was very depressed the other day because it was his daughter's birthday and since his wife took off with the kids he hasnt seen her since. He said that all of a sudden he started to laugh and getting "holy laughter". He asked the Lord for confirmation in the Bible " I turned to the story of Hannah praying for a son as she was barren. As she prayed in the temple she got holy laughter!"

I didn't buy his explanation because I have heard this type if loose interpetation so many times I was getting sick of it already. I warned him not to mis-translate the Bible like that. In fact, had just finished reading the story the other day to my nephew and niece as a bed time story. "Dave! even the priest in the temple even said she was 'drunk in the spirit'". "No, thats not true Ken, the priest thought she was drinking because her lips where moving but with no sound and he thought she was drunk but she replied- no but Im sorrowful thats why Im praying this way.". "Well my Bible says she was drunk in the spirit". "Are you sure Ken? Which Bible do you have". "The New Living Translation". "Dave you are so mean..here I am telling you how sad I was about my daughter's birthday and you are debating with me" "Ken, I feel sorry for you but Im not taking anymore false teachings from anyone. Ken you better fear God more than that to misquote His Word", "No Dave! You better fear God for saying there is no holy laughter" Years later Ken really fell into the sin of drunkeness, he became an alcoholic.

I went to the house of James and checked out the translation he told me he had. It didn't say that she had holy laughter at all. Ill give you the story now from the Bible, it is important to include this because you too will face the challenge of confronting heresy and we all need to be aware that even our friends can throw a fast one at us. Here is the story in the New Living Translation , read it and see if holy laughter or drunk in the spirit is in the text:

1 Samuel chapter 1

9 Once when they were at Shiloh, Hannah went over to the Tabernacle after supper to pray to the LORD. Eli the priest was sitting at his customary place beside the entrance. 10 Hannah was in deep anguish, crying bitterly as she prayed to the LORD. 11 And she made this vow: "O LORD Almighty, if you will look down upon my sorrow and answer my prayer and give me a son, then I will give him back to you. He will be yours for his entire lifetime, and as a sign that he has been dedicated to the LORD, his hair will never be cut." 12 As she was praying to the LORD, Eli watched her. 13 Seeing her lips moving but hearing no sound, he thought she had been drinking. 14 "Must you come here drunk?" he demanded. "Throw away your wine!" 15 "Oh no, sir!" she replied, "I'm not drunk! But I am very sad, and I was pouring out my heart to the LORD. 16 Please don't think I am a wicked woman! For I have been praying out of great anguish and sorrow." 17 "In that case," Eli said, "cheer up! May the God of Israel grant the request you have asked of him." 18 "Oh, thank you, sir!" she exclaimed. Then she went back and began to eat again, and she was no longer sad.

. It is my personal belief that many others will be tested just as these former friends of mine, no one has any idea of what Gord or the others went through, it could have been a living hell, but we know the end result...failure. We all must be vigilant against the enemy and pray for God's protection from straying. As the fire heats up some will face extreme pressures of testing like standing behind a jet fighter that is ready to take off from the runaway apron, whatever the test only those who place Jesus above all will last. Many will be knocked down and you wont see them again. I personally believe we will all go through at least one shadow of death experience so bad that even suicide seems like the best option.
If this is you dear friend, remember a trial years ago that seemed unbearable yet you lived past that, this storm too will pass in time. Number one is to make sure you are on track with God, if life is still going crazy at least you know you are in God's will.

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8. Tactics of the faith movement.

Financial Blessings.

These teachers claim that if you give money to a anointed ministry then that money you gave will come back to you in multiple amounts. They claim that your money is a “seed” and when you plant it in their ministries, it grows miraculously. As dumb as this sounds, these teachers present the message with such enthusiasm and exuberance that by the end of the sermon people are literally throwing their money into the offering. They even teach that the more it hurts you to give, the more the blessing will be. So if you give all your wealth, your rate of return will be compounded. Some thirty fold, some sixty and some one hundred fold. Do you know how these teachers can afford the Lear jets and exotic cars? Many people gave at VCC and most gave till they were broke and the ones I knew never got the financial huge return. The only one who was rolling in the dough was Henry Hinn. No matter how hard they try to mask their greed, there are tell tale signs that the Lord gives us out of mercy but its up to us to choose if we heed the warnings or not.

We are not to seek the Lord for financial gain, but many people only want to follow the Lord for what they cant get out of Him:

John 6:25-27

25 And when they found Him on the other side of the sea, they said to Him, "Rabbi, when did You come here?" 26 Jesus answered them and said, "Most assuredly, I say to you, you seek Me, not because you saw the signs, but because you ate of the loaves and were filled. 27 Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to everlasting life, which the Son of Man will give you, because God the Father has set His seal on Him." NKJV

Isnt it amazing how fooled we have become. Jesus' Gospel message was to deny ourselves, take up the cross and follow Him. Jesus said if they hated Me then they will hate you, if I am your Master and they do these things to Me, just what will they do to the servants? One who wanted to follow Jesus said "I will follow you but first let me bury my dead" This is how committed Jesus wants us to be: Follow Me and Let the dead bury their dead, no one who puts his hand to the plow and looking back is fit for the kingdom of God. If you decided to follow Jesus you have to follow no matter what the persecution. But look at what we are preaching today:

Hi! God wants you wealthy and to bless you in everyway. Just invite Jesus in your heart. (Big smiles and hugs)

This is not the Gospel Jesus preached and its not the truth. If you want to start a cult that message would be a good start to get the crowds into your group, later you can ask for donations and make a huge salary but all the while time is ticking away and the immanent Judgement from God is approaching.

The Anointing.

On healing nights sometimes Henry would “anoint” the offering envelopes and say that if you give in this offering, God will bless you with the anointing. I’m reminded now of the story in Acts 8 were a ex-sorcerer saw that God had given the Holy Spirit to the people when the Apostles laid their hands on them. Simon approached Peter and offered him money to buy this power so that anyone he laid his hands on will receive the Holy Spirit. Peter answered:

19 saying, "Give this authority to me as well, so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit." 20 But Peter said to him, "May your silver perish with you, because you thought you could obtain the gift of God with money! 21 "You have no part or portion in this matter, for your heart is not right before God. 22 "Therefore repent of this wickedness of yours, and pray the Lord that if possible, the intention of your heart may be forgiven you. 23 "For I see that you are in the gall of bitterness and in the bondage of iniquity."

Today preachers are telling their listeners to give money for the anointing. Christians are falling for it today but if they knew the Bible better they would be rebuking the teacher instead of giving money. Read Peters rebuke again if you are one that has given to a preacher for a anointing and still think it was a good decision.

Henry teaches that his anointing can transfer on a person who is close to him, saying it is just like Elijah transferring Elisha. Elijah didn't tell Elisha that would happen for sure, the condition was only if Elisha saw him leave that the anointing would rest on him. Also, Henry is interested in Mercedes Benz, money, and fancy stuff...Elisha wasn't and the proof of this is in this next part of scriptures, here is some background on the story. Naaman was a leper and came to Elisha for healing. After being healed Naaman offered the prophet gifts but Elisha refused to take any money from Naaman. Elisha's servant was quick to run after Naaman and lie to get clothes and money from him. Notice how the servant, Gehazi, jutifies his craving for worldly goods and spiritualizes it "As the Lord liveth" :

"But Gehazi, the servant of Elisha the man of God, said, Behold, my master hath spared Naaman this Syrian, in not receiving at his hands that which he brought: but, as the LORD liveth, I will run after him, and take somewhat of him. 21 So Gehazi followed after Naaman. And when Naaman saw him running after him, he lighted down from the chariot to meet him, and said, Is all well? 22 And he said, All is well. My master hath sent me, saying, Behold, even now there be come to me from mount Ephraim two young men of the sons of the prophets: give them, I pray thee, a talent of silver, and two changes of garments. 23 And Naaman said, Be content, take two talents. And he urged him, and bound two talents of silver in two bags, with two changes of garments, and laid them upon two of his servants; and they bare them before him. 24 And when he came to the tower, he took them from their hand, and bestowed them in the house: and he let the men go, and they departed. 25 But he went in, and stood before his master. And Elisha said unto him, Whence comest thou, Gehazi? And he said, Thy servant went no whither. 26 And he said unto him, Went not mine heart with thee, when the man turned again from his chariot to meet thee? Is it a time to receive money, and to receive garments, and oliveyards, and vineyards, and sheep, and oxen, and menservants, and maidservants? 27 The leprosy therefore of Naaman shall cleave unto thee, and unto thy seed for ever. And he went out from his presence a leper as white as snow.

From what we know of these faith teachers in how they handle money the question is; Do they resemble Elisha or his servant Gehazi? "As the Lord liveth" they think they are spiritual as they fleece the sheep. Im sure we all want to be comfortable in this life, no one wants to go hungry and without shelter -including me. From looking at the punishment of the servants attitude we all must be cautious on our attitude towards worldly possessions.

Do not touch the Lords anointed.

Unfortunately most of my friends were either in the faith movement or they thought the movement was Christian and we shouldn’t “Judge” them. I agree that we shouldn’t judge people but that doesn’t mean we don’t use our minds or stop exposing false teachers. God gave us rational so we could make wise decisions based on facts. If the facts point to a deceit then the rational thing to do is leave the movement but this only works if the individual’s mind hasn’t been manipulated by false teachings. They use warnings like, “ Do not touch the Lord’s anointed”. Are they really God's anointed or imposters? Any athiest could set up a money making gospel and start a Church, with what I have seen Christians accept, it would probably work. Would the athiest be God's anointed? Of course not- the same goes for false teachers, they are self-appointed.

What they mean by this is that when Saul was pursuing King David, the Lord gave David opportunities to kill Saul but David didn’t because God had chosen Saul. David told his men that he wouldn’t lay a hand against the Lord’s anointed. If you read the story it is clear that David didn’t trust Saul after he attempted to kill him with spears and other means. David also didn’t understand what came over Saul. David ran away from Saul and when he spared Saul the second time, Saul admitted that he was wrong about David and asked him to come back home. David still didn’t trust Saul so he went to the land of the Philistines:

” Then David said to himself, "Now I will perish one day by the hand of Saul. There is nothing better for me than to escape into the land of the Philistines. Saul then will despair of searching for me anymore in all the territory of Israel, and I will escape from his hand." 1 Samuel 27:1

The context is that even though David didn’t kill Saul when he had the chance to, he still saw Saul as someone that is not trust-worthy. The faith teachers take this story and say, “ Do not touch the Lord’s anointed”. If it can be proven that the teacher is preaching false doctrine , he is far from anointed and therefore can not be trusted. What does the New Testament say about this? In the Testament Paul warns the believers about false teachers and he even broadcasts the names to the Churches so that they will be warned against them. He also explains what they were teaching:

“ Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, handling accurately the word of truth. 16 But avoid worldly and empty chatter, for it will lead to further ungodliness, 17 and their talk will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, 18 men who have gone astray from the truth saying that the resurrection has already taken place, and thus they upset the faith of some.”

2 Timothy 2:15-18

I’m certain that these two men had devoted followers of their teachings and they were warned. They could have told the Church- dont listen to Paul because he is touching God's anointed. Every preacher thinks they are God's anointed but their lifestyle and message will tell if they are possibly called by the Lord. You know what I hear today from Christians when I mention the names and teachings of deceivers? They reply, “ He is a man of God, don’t slander him!” Or , “ You don’t have the right to judge!” or, “How come I feel good then when he preaches? I get the anointing when he speaks.”

We are called to test the spirits to see if they are from God for many false teachers are out there and they look so Christian:

“Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.”

1 John 4:1

Here are pictures of Benny Hinn on the stage with Steve Brock. Steve uses the satanic symbol then Hinn moves his hand on Steve's to hide it:

The gifts of God are with out repentance.

Henry slightly twists the meaning in verses. A example is he taught that no matter he did, he will never lose the anointing. He uses this verse to support his teaching:

“ for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable” Romans 11:29 NAS

. From reading the whole chapter we can see that the subject of that Chapter is Israel, how they rejected the Messiah by Israel and the reconciliation of the Gentiles because of Israel’s unbelief. This Chapter does not deal with taking or not taking our spiritual gifts away rather it deals with the nation Israel. In the future Israel will accept the Messiah and the Lord will fulfil His covenant concerning the restoration of Israel. God will make good on His promises to Israel is the proper meaning of the verse.

In the New Testament there are many examples and warnings of believer's rewards taken away:

2 Peter 3

17 You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; 18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen. NKJV

Col. 2:18

Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, NKJV

2 John 1:7-9

7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 8 Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward. 9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. NKJV

Isnt it interesting that Benny Hinn's Church was located in Orlando Florida where Disney World is located and Henry Hinn had his beginnings in BC at a theme park named Fantasy Gardens (mini Disney Land). They both chose areas where 'wonder and enchantment' are in high regard. People are fooled easily with fantasies.

The Bible is clear that only one person may speak at a time and there must be no more then three people speaking tongues, one at a time, waiting their turn. Plus, there must be an interpeter after each time. Anything other than this is disobedience to God's word...exactly what you see in most Pentecostal churches today:

"26 How is it then, brethren? Whenever you come together, each of you has a psalm, has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification. 27 If anyone speaks in a tongue, let there be two or at the most three, each in turn, and let one interpret. 28 But if there is no interpreter, let him keep silent in church, and let him speak to himself and to God." 1 Cor. 14.

The Holy Spirit inspired the writers of the Bible- so too, the Holy Spirit would not contradict Himself and let the meeting go into confusion with many people speaking in tongues, and with no interpeter. One Romanian guy tested a Pentecostal Church. He stood up spoke some Romanian words, then sat down. The interpetation was phoney. Do you know a language that few know? Try it...speak some plain words and youll most likely get a false interpetation. Many people claim to be "in the Spirit" with their bizzarre behavoir, do you really want to get "into the Spirit" then read the Bible. The Holy Spirit inspired the Bible so you know for sure that you will be close to the Holy Spirit by reading God's Word. Oh but thats not good enough? The other option is listening to "teachers" and "worship" music but how do you know it they arent false? We know the Bible is for sure the truth of God. The problem today is that being spiritual is equated with drunkeness or strange activities. God is merciful to put up with these lunatics but He wont always be. Simple Bible reading seems to boring for some but this is what God wants us to do, study the Bible, pray, be faithful to Him. If that sounds boring then maybe you missed the whole idea of what real Christianity is all about. How many people across the world are being duped by fake tongues and interpetations? God set down these rules for the Church so that an outsider will not walk in the Church while everyone is speaking in tongues and think they are all mad:

1 Corinthians 14 "23 Therefore if the whole church comes together in one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those who are uninformed or unbelievers, will they not say that you are out of your mind?

Why is it then with these Biblical guidelines that most Charismatic meetings are not decent and in order? There usually is well over 3 speaking in tongues, and not in turn but at the same time. God is not about confusion but order:

1 Corinthians 14-"33. For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints."

James 3 " 15 This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic. 16 For where envy and self-seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are there."

So the next time you see mayhem and disorder in a Christian meeting , you know its not from God.
God set down these rules in the Bible and those who are really spiritual enough to speak in tongues, perform a miracle will be following the Bible, if its not the Bible they are following then its disobedience to God and the only rational conclusion is a fake is on the stage.

Dateline's Expose on Benny Hinn.

9. Things need to change.

With all the Revivals and new, powerful moves of God that we hear about one would think that the church is strong and healthy. There is no way of measuring a national average on Christian’s spirituality or Pastor’s commitment to sound doctrine but there is one data that give a hint on just how we are doing today. On November 12, 2000 I was listening to the Focus on the Family weekend edition and the data they shared over the radio was shocking and revealed just how far we strayed from God. They released new data that states Christians have a higher divorce rate than unbelievers. For the first time in the Churches history we have failed to the point that the world follows God’s standards more than we do. Something has to change and fast.

So what went wrong, how is it that the world has a better grasp on following God’s command for marriage then Christians? I have found that people from the world treat me better than most Christians have. “Christians” have ripped me off more in business then unbelievers. Many other honest Christians have said the same thing. The feedback I get from the unsaved is that Christians are jerks and treat people rudely and I dont have much to rebut that. Just the other day I was chatting with neighbor who is quite the party girl and her boyfriend "So when did you start smoking" I asked, he replied "Actually at church camp...the pastor's daughter brought the smokes". If I wasn't a Christian I too would be turned off- If that is what Christianity is about then Ill have nothing to do with it, but we know its not Christianity but greed and self-centeredness. If these Revivals we here about are from God then you would see a Holy and strong Church. In reality we don’t see this. I strongly feel that we need to change in the following:

i) We need to read the Bible more and take it seriously. When I don’t take time to read the Bible daily, the truth becomes hazy. I forget about God’s commands and desires for my life. It is true that we are saved by grace but we are also commanded to be faithful to Him. We test God’s patience and push the envelope of grace to the extreme. We are starved for Jesus’ teaching on self-control and commitment to the gospel. One only needs to read the first few chapters of Revelations to see how Jesus feels about sin in our lives. These next verses will remove any clouds in your mind:

Revelation 3:14-22

14 "And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write,'These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God: 15 I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. 16 So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth. 17 Because you say, 'I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing'--and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked-- 18 I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see. 19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent. 20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me. 21 To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne. 22 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches." ' " NKJV

Many Christians have lost their commitment to Jesus, true many still attend church, the functions but in their lives they let subtle evils invade like bad music, movies, internet porn..they attend church and our well accepted hey, after all arent we all doing it? Lighten up. But this is exactly what the devil wants you to be so he can take away your effectiveness. At work, are duties being done in a professional manner? Is the price charged too high? Are the company's supplies stolen? Is there laugh time when the boss is away. "Well Im laughing with them you now, getting to know them, showing them Christians arent stiffs". We are well too concerned about unbelievers thinking we are lame then what God thinks. Too often we parrot the world (its ok to parrot something godly though) thinking it is effective. Its a losing strategy- what starts out lukewarm continues to be lukewarm and ends lukewarm. If God gets the bad name in the end was it really witnessing?

ii). We love what God hates. One example is folly. I believe that it pleases God to see us laugh but it also makes Him upset at some of the content that we laugh at. We love entertainment that is hurtful to our consciences and thought patterns. We laugh at indecent jokes and comedians and we hold them in high regard and think that it’s alright to enjoy a indecent jokes. I too struggle with this one...there is so much comedy out there and if Im not on guard I find myself laughing at them. When Jesus told the disciples what makes a person unclean I was surprised to find that folly was included in the list of sins that defile a man:

Mark 7:20-23

20 And He said, "What comes out of a man, that defiles a man. 21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. 23 All these evil things come from within and defile a man." NKJV

I noticed that Christians didn’t have any reservations on telling indecent jokes. If there is a passage we desperately need to hear, it’s this one:

Ephesians 5: 1-11

1 Therefore be imitators of God as dear children. 2 And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma.

3 But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints; 4 neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. 5 For this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. 7 Therefore do not be partakers with them. 8 For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light 9 (for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness, righteousness, and truth), 10 finding out what is acceptable to the Lord. 11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. NKJV

This study on folly was a sobering experience for me. To further the point on how we should talk the Bible states that even idle words-- words we dont give much thought of but spoke them anyways, will be judged:

Matthew 12-

34 Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. 35 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things. 36 But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment. 37 For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."NKJV

Today comedy joke on gross evils such as beastiality and other sodomy. All of these we should abhor but if we ignore the Holy Spirit's words in Ephesians Chapter 5, we will grow dull to these evils and even laugh with along with them.

If you are one that loves folly then how is it that you can read the Bible with a straight face? A person into joking around all the time seems to have a one liner at whim. They think of folly and future jokes, but how about when you read the Bible? There are many parts that cant be read unless you are very serious or a evil thought will come to mind. God knows our thoughts and thats why folly is considered evil in the Bible, God wants us to be reverent towards truth and life that He has provided.

Let us fear God in our lives to the smallest detail, even in our choice of movies and our idle words. These verses prove

that God is very serious about what we say and that folly is a sin.

iii. We changed the gospel .

I have seen many tracts that say nothing about commitment to Jesus or repentance from sin. We tell them that God has a wonderful plan for your life, we tell them to say a prayer and they will be saved. Truly we are saved by believing in Jesus alone but if the person thinks that believing means to “know about” Jesus, this is not the intended meaning of the word in the Bible. The true meaning of the word believe is “to trust wholly”. We don’t tell them about repenting from sin because we fear that they might try to work their way into heaven. Meanwhile Jesus and the Apostles had no qualms about telling people to repent. Hell is not mentioned for fear that they might think we are saddists. We are guilty of preaching a fast and convenient Gospel that leaves out essential truths

I don’t think we should rush the message of Jesus. This gospel we are preaching draws people in who don’t know that they have to repent from sin. They are not aware that Jesus wants us to be committed and taking up the cross to follow Him. I had a Pentecostal friend named Azim who said that the way he evangelizes is to walk up to people and pleads with them, “Just say ‘Jesus is Lord’ and you will be saved”. He got that from Romans 10 where it says that if you confess with your mouth then you are saved. He told me of a story that happened on the city bus, he told some teenage girls to say “Jesus is Lord and they will be saved. They refused to and mocked him but he persisted in getting a confession out of them after sometime one of the girls said “Jesus is Lord’ are you happy?!” Azim assumed that she was saved. I hope so but if the gospel isn’t clearly presented then she may just have spoken words.

He forgot to tell her what she was saved from and how she was saved. Jesus said that following Him will mean self denial and "considering the cost". We dont work for our salvation but Jesus said that if the hated Him they will hate us. Some Christians will be martyred. This isn't a cake walk and we shouldnt present it as such.

At the same time, it need not take hours to thoroughly explain the gospel. The person should have a understanding that they are sinners and in danger of a eternal hell. That God is loving and didn’t want us to go there so He sent His one and only Son to suffer and die on the cross as the payment for our sins. He arose from the dead and He showed Himself to a number of believers. He ascended up to heaven and said that He would return the same way that He left, In the sky. This detail will prevent them believing any false teacher’s claim that Jesus is “in the inner rooms” or “in the desert”. It also wouldn’t hurt to explain the deity of Jesus as God the Son and the Trinity since the cults are working hard to distort the Trinity today and we don’t want to lose the person to them. Remember we are not trying to rush a decision from the person, let them consider the cost of being Jesus’ servant. Jesus said that this will be the normal thought before making a commitment to following Him, the thought of total commitment, considering the cost of following and the outcome of not following Jesus:

25 Now great multitudes went with Him. And He turned and said to them, 26 "If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple. 27 And whoever does not bear his cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple.

Luke 14: 25-27

We have evangelical meetings that present a short and uncomplete gospel message and then the audience is asked to ask Jesus into their heart. All this can take place in a minute, but hardly any preachers tell the audience to consider the cost. No one gets married without considering whether they love that person and will be committed, they think about it seriously and make a decision. Even though committing to Jesus is by far more serious then marriage, many preachers go through the salvation process in a "fast food" process. What is the outcome of this? If you are a Christian and have been involved in the church for even a little time, you know the answer.

The unsaved should know that God wants them to live a holy life so repentance is a very important and should be mentioned.

This new gospel tells the person that you don’t have to have Jesus as your Lord to be saved, He just has to be your Savior. They say that there are two types of Christianity; The first type are those who just believe in Jesus but are still living the same way as before, they were saved with no repentance at all. These are "carnal” Christians. The second type are committed to Jesus and obey the teachings of the Gospel, said to be on a higher level, this type follow Jesus commands in scripture, they are sometimes called 'religious' or 'fundamental'.

"If you is, what you was, then you ain't." (speaking of the surety of salvation and the evidence of our new life in Christ.)
JOHN JASPER

But by reading the New Testament one cannot evade the many verses that command obedience, holiness, out of a deep love for Jesus. One example is the parables of the servants waiting for their master as in the case of the ten virgins, five didn't make it into the wedding banquet (heaven) even though they were waiting with the other five. Then there is the parable of the unfaithful servant who hid his "talent", the measure of money he was to trade and make a profit for his master, this servant hid the talent under the dirt. Not too bad when you compare the servant to today's "servants" of Jesus, or one would think - many go way deeper into sin then just hiding their talent.

One just needs to look at the local Church to see examples. Jesus said that weeds will grow with the wheat, don't let that surprise you. The weed might be sitting near your pew at Church. Oh...just in case you were wondering, what was the servants punishment for hiding his talent?

"30 And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'" Matt. 25

God have mercy on us all.

2 Corinthians 11

. 3 But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity* that is in Christ. 4 For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted--you may well put up with it! NKJV

The outcome of preaching this new gospel is that we have people who call themselves Christians but didn’t repent, and they live like sinners. When the first trial comes into their life they are gone and you never see them again. The only ones that last are the ones who hold on, staying committed no matter what happened:

Luke 8:11-15

11 "Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. 13 But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. 14 Now the ones that fell among thorns are those who, when they have heard, go out and are choked with cares, riches, and pleasures of life, and bring no fruit to maturity. 15 But the ones that fell on the good ground are those who, having heard the word with a noble and good heart, keep it and bear fruit with patience. NKJV

We see in this parable four different responses to trials. There was not one case that had the “easy life” Jesus never said that being His servant would be easy.

The first response is they heard a incomplete Gospel or didn't understand it fully. As they thought about it and about changing for God, the devil put thoughts about it and they turned from considering Jesus. They started contemplating following Jesus but quickly turned back.

Notice that the second response was received with joy but with no root. I think of this as the one who was told a quick gospel, that they don’t need to repent at all or worry about learning more about Jesus. Friends might have brought them to a Christian rally or camp, made friends and want to go along with it. After camp is over and life starts again thats when true commitment gets tested. They wanted the peace of salvation but didn't study the Bible or seek God furthur- they had no root and fell away.

The next response the one that lasted through some trial but they got caught up with riches and cares. Since Jesus wasn’t first place in their lives they chose riches and worldy things and got entangled in daily trappings just like the next person. Their life was probably full of unrest and quarreling about things that don’t really matter like who left the tooth paste cap off, credit card and home equity loans, career. Spiritual things got left to the second or even third place in life as riches took first place. Their fruit got choked and withered away.

"It is one thing to have sin alarmed only by convictions, and another to have it crucified by converting grace. Many, because they have been troubled in conscience for their sins, think well of their case, miserably mistaking conviction for conversion."
JOSEPH ALLIENE

Often many mistake convictions for salvation. They will dwell on the moment when they felt the conviction as proof as being saved and this gets complicated as the mind has over 10 billion connections. True, we are saved by faith in Jesus alone but a repented changed life will be the fruit to prove the tree isn't a weed any longer. If you are doing the same sins as your non-believing friends then you share their fruit and most likely their destination.

Feelings can only take you so far. This is another reason why worship is so much more touchy feely, puffy cloudy. Many can get into emotionalism experience but not obedience. This is the reason why gross sins can be done before and after the service, one can get deeply emotional in the worship to bypass the brain which would recall verses on holiness. One can sing "Holiness, holiness is what I long for" and not even think of things in their life that need repenting, they'll push on in the song, get into the atmosphere of the place. In effect getting into the song itself then becomes the focus, not obedience to the Lord . Afterwards they will talk with friends, meet a girl and forget about holiness. The songs then become a source of nostalgic bonding in a social circle but not of any effect to change sin in the person's life. Theyll play the song in the car, at home and bring back the emotions and memories. People their sphere of influence do the same thing and all the while not thinking of " Holiness, holiness...."

Its very easy to "catch" an attitude and not even realise that you have changed. Many dwell on the feelings they had during a time conviction but thats as for as it goes. They dont stand for truth, they fall for error. They dont take up the cross, they are worldly.

The ones who heard the full gospel, of commitment to Jesus and repentance of sins, endured through all the trials made it through all of life’s storms. They studied the Bible to learn more about God, of Whom they love. They considered things of this world not worthy of effecting their relationship with the Lord. They understood the commitment, the challenges. They counted the cost and took up the cross. When asked to sell all for Jesus, they obeyed. When Jesus asked them to give up anything that made them weak spiritually they cast it away as worthless. They knew the call and the reward and they pressed on to please their Lord, even through tremendous pain.

Some might say, “If this is the case then who can be saved?” or “I thought it was easy to be saved and you are making it so complicated.” It is not that the gospel is complicated, rather it has been picked apart to only include the 'easy to listen to' verses. Harder verses such as commitment, self denial are left out for it to be more appealing. Like the cheap pharmacist who dispensed little medicine with lots of powder we too give the lost a watered down, lots of fluff gospel. Evidently, from what we see happening in Churches today, this gospel is producing weak followers of Jesus...and that is if they really did repent and come to Jesus for the cleansing of sins with a repentant attitude.

"Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you , will try to enter and not be able" Luke 13:24

"every effort"..."will try and not be able"- What Jesus is saying is that many will not make it into heaven. Other translations read "strive to enter". They will push, make some attempts to follow Jesus but if only to fail. "I thought we arent working our way to heaven". These verses have nothing to do with us working to be saved, Jesus did the work on the cross already. It is finished, then what do those verses mean- it is our stubborn will and the temptations that distract us from entering in the narrow gate, which only a few will make it through.

Many cleverly found a solution to the problem, since they dont want to give things up for Jesus they simply twist the gospel message, pick and chose the easy to read verses- "Im saved by grace alone, those are work salvation verses so Im fine with my life". Wrong, those are verses spoken by Jesus they are not works salvation.

The gospel of Jesus declares to the world that the God who made all things really does love mankind. The person craving for truth will be grateful to find out that the God they have been searching for has actually been seeking them, drawing them in (John 6). They will also find out that God is not some power hungry being but gentle and humble. They will find out that He sent Jesus His Son to pay for all sins. Jesus was born of a virgin. He lived through childhood, adolescence, and experienced aging. The Bible says that He was tempted in every way we are, yet He resisted them and didn't sin. He cared for the needs of people and acted toward the needs with divine miracles. He spoke the truth in love, even to evil men who wanted to kill Him. The religious leaders falsely accused Him and enchanted the Roman authorities to kill Jesus, though He did no wrong.

In Isaiah there is a description of Jesus suffering in humbleness for the sins of the world. He was mocked and humiliated, beaten and whipped so badly that the chapter says that you couldn’t tell that He was a man anymore. Jesus was nailed to a Roman cross and just before He died, He cried "It is finished". It is finished meant that all sins for evil men where paid for in full.

God, the Father, could accept this painful yet perfect sacrifice of His only Son as atonement for the countless tonnage of sins commited by mankind. There is no other sacrifice or payment or pain that could satisfy God for payment of sins for you see, God is a Holy God and requires that all sin be punished for. In God's eyes sin is horrifying and abominable. No one can enter heaven with any sin, not even with one little sin can a person stand in front of God for He cant stand the sight of any sin. This is the reason Jesus is the only way into heaven (John 14:6) all other religions dont wash sins away, only Jesus sacrifice can do that. A person may have great manners and do great deeds for humanity but if their sins are not washed away they can not enter heaven. The fate of all men would be hell if not for Jesus sacrifice. The intense pain that Jesus suffered for us and His death would be the only love payment acceptable.

Many songs say" You died in my place". No thats wrong, Jesus didn't die in your place. Your place on the cross would have did nothing for payment of your sins. We are all sinners, that would be a imperfect sacrifice.

God saw our evil wretchedness but He also sees the sacrifice of His Son, and for that He is willing to forgive all mankind for that act of love Jesus did for us. We cant imagine the pain that the Father felt during the atonement of His Son with the deep love He has for Him. Allow me to make a segue, to be irreverent about Jesus sacrifice- living as you chose, worship music that is done in a worldy manner must frustrate God. Here is the answer for all those commands in the New Testament- If you respect and love Jesus for what He did for you then a holy life pleasing to God will be lived. You will live out what you believe, so only you would know if you really believe the truth or not. Many with confusion from the world and the popular compromising gospel many preach will find out on Judgement day that their attitude of using God's grace as a license to sin is abhoring to God. A holy life isn't lived out of obedience to a law but its for the love one has for Jesus.

Romans Chapter 6 clean sweeps all this up for us, we are baptized into His death and we are dead to ourselves (or should be):

1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been freed from sin. 8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord. 12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace. 15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one's slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. 18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness. 20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. 22 But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Will all be saved since Christ died once for all? Those who reject Jesus' love, His death, would then not have their sins washed away and therefore unfit to enter a perfect heaven to dwell with a perfect and Holy God, He cant tolerate the sight of sin, therefore hell awaits those who hate God...in essense they hate love. Jesus sacrifice has made the payment for those who believe in Jesus as no one comes to the Father except through Jesus. John 14:6- Jesus said to him," I am the way, the way, the life, no one comes to the Father except through Me". Yes its exclusive.

Acts 4:12-12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."

"Good people" from other religions will not make it, according to the Bible. Evil men will not accept Christ and are condemned:

18 He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

The Bible is clear on this issue, those who reject Jesus will not be saved and out of God's love for us some will be saved- though Jesus said only a FEW will find the narrow road.

It is out of God's love that a few will be saved. One fact we must include in sharing the Gospel is that Jesus rose from death after three days. A Jewish day refers to day light -Gen. 1:5 'And God called the light Day', Friday would be considered a day, Saturday a day, Sunday a day..."on the third day". Jesus showed Himself to as many as 500 of His followers, even to the doubting followers. After many days He ascended up to heaven while in their sight. He said that He will come again in the same way, with the clouds and angels attending Him to judge the world.

Anyone who really understands the gospel has no qualms of giving their life to Jesus. The wonder of God’s love sweeps the understanding person off their feet and there is no other romance that could compare. Jesus knew those who would understand the message would be swept away by the call and that they would give up anything to follow. The elect would follow even when Jesus’ teaching sometime seemed impossible to obey, just like what He said to the young ruler:

Matthew 19:21-26

?" 21 Jesus said to him, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me." 22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions. 23 Then Jesus said to His disciples, "Assuredly, I say to you that it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." 25 When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, "Who then can be saved?" 26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, "With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." NKJV

How many Rich young rulers do we have in the church that do not put Jesus first? How many rich young rulers are "Pastors"? We look for successful, motivatonal men to lead in the Church today, in fact most Pastors chosen are rich, young, and many times were rulers in business before the pulpit. This doesn't imply that business men cant be good Pastors but why is that Churches pick the wealthy and most esteemed men to lead? I wonder if the Apostles could apply for Church positions how many would get hired? Apostle Paul said he did not bring his message with eloquent speech so that the cross of Christ would be made void (1 Corinthians 1:17) in fact in the next Chapter Paul said that he preached in meekness and fear and trembling so men wouldnt give Paul glory:

How refreshing it is to hear a preacher speak with the fear of God on his conscience knowing people's lives are in jeopardy if the message he gets across is a false one. When we preach the gospel we must be fair to the person and give them the whole story. Many hear a peaches and cream gospel and think that the Christian life is going to be a sunny Sunday picnic. Keep the whole gospel in mind when sharing the good news. Tell them of God’s love and Jesus payment of sins on the cross, His resurrection and judgment to come. Repentance from sin must be preached...how many of you, who just sinned, feel like preaching to others? When you sin you feel defeated, worn out, good for nothing. Repent from sin and be ready to be used for Jesus.

I remember one Switzerland woman who kept asking my family questions about Jesus and salvation. It wasn’t until a couple months later that she made her commitment for Jesus. When she did, tears came pouring out of her eyes and when we asked her what was wrong. She said that she loved Jesus so much that she never wanted to sin again. We told her that all Christians sin but we try to stay away from sin. Her love and commitment is a beautiful response to the love that Jesus showed her. She understood God’ love and wanted to give all for Him.

If there is any doubt in your mind of how dedicated we should be as Christians, here are some verses that will clearly explain:

Hebrews 6:4-6

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. NKJV

Matthew 10:31-39

31 Do not fear therefore; you are of more value than many sparrows. 32 "Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven. 33 But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven. 34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. 35 For I have come to 'set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law'; 36 and 'a man's enemies will be those of his own household.' 37 He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. 38 And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. 39 He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it. NKJV

Satanists use mind control and "time bombs" on the victim, a time bomb is where they will induce the victim into a subconciense state through vulgar means and insert messages subliminaly, so if a certain word or date is said- the brain triggers them to do their activity.

They have this done to a science where they even call it "code" and it is very difficult to decode once they program the person. See how the devil works? Subliminaly and with vulgar. The same goes for the gospel they preach. They will push
certain definitions such as "faith", after you hear them preach on faith for sometime you think "force". Or they will
preach a different "Jesus" and when they say "Jesus" the trained mind thinks "force". They will say "Gospel" and your
mind will trigger "health and wealth". The list goes on, after spending some time in the movement you are now induced into a different Gospel, believing in a different Jesus, obeying a different "spirit"

John Calvin is said to have coined that phrase. On this website there is evidence of Calvin approving the death of a heretic and some anabaptists, Calvin held to infant baptism not baptism after salvation or as an adult as in the case of Jesus, He was about 33 years old when baptized.

There are verses that claim that the Father draws the person in (John Chapter 6) and convicts the person of sin. Granted, but once God does all that work of electing (Romans 9) , drawing and saving the sinner, can the believer turn his back on God and lose his salvation? Just because God elects you doesn't mean He took away your freedom of choice. Jesus did say that those who come to Him , He will never pluck out...but we can walk away from His hand. Many teach- Oh I have been elected, Im saved forever even if I walk away from God. Those who leave God and dive into a lifestyle of sin they say ,"Oh those are they who really werent called or they are just temporarily out of His will". It amazes me how a preacher will sound logical and polite until he preaches on eternal security and claim this ; "If someone claims they can lose their salvation then they reject Jesus sustaining power".

There is no doubt in my mind that we are only saved by trusting in Jesus' sacrifice only for the remission of sins. There is no other way to be saved then to trust in Jesus work on the cross. Nothing else can. But, we have free will and I believe we can chose to turn our back on God.

Is it so clean cut as they make it ? Or is the life of a Christian more complicated then they make it, with more freedom- which they do not allow in their equation of "once saved always saved." Well my words mean nothing if I dont have scripture to back me up so here we go:

Here are some verses that indicate we can turn our back on God and lose our salvation:

4 Abide in me as I abide in you. Just as the branch cannot bear fruit by itself unless it abides in the vine, neither can you unless you abide in me. 5 I am the vine, you are the branches. Those who abide in me and I in them bear much fruit, because apart from me you can do nothing. 6 Whoever does not abide in me is thrown away like a branch and withers; such branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned

Jesus said that in the last days this will happen:

Matthew 24:12

"Because lawlessness is increased, most people's love will grow cold.

It should be that you can rely on your brother without fear. The church should be the most loving and comfortable place in the world but I can attest of being hurt more by Christian friends then my unbelieving friends and I’m not alone. My sister belongs to a “care” group at church and she told me that sometimes she doesn’t get invited when they have a social event. Apparently there are some in that care group that get along better and they keep some of the outings secretly to themselves. I used to belong to a care group myself until I went out for coffee with the leader of the care group and he confided in me how much he couldn’t stand one of the people in his group. After our conversation I noticed that the care group sometimes got uncaring and when that particular person would make comments, he was ignored by the leader. Many of my friends have shared the same hurts I have. One girl said that when she was a new Christian, a guy at Roaring 20’s told her that she was ugly and he told her boyfriend to break up with her. She is still struggling with those hurts caused by a “brother” who should have been encouraging her and caring about her emotions. Do we really care about each other? How many of us would give money or time to a brother in need ? Sure we have a lot of phonies pretending to be in need when they really aren’t but what about the one that really does have legitimate needs? We have problems getting along and we are competitive towards each other.

I also gave a tape to a YWAM group leader who is working in Las Vegas. This native of the UK trains young missionaries and other various duties. I gave her a tape and she had nothing positive to say about Hank or the tape. I hoped that she would be grateful to Hank for the exposing of heresy and hearing what these teachers are preaching. She said that Hank was said to be "just as controversial as Benny Hinn". Even though there questionable associations with Catholics still, he did not preach that there are 9 in the Trinity or that Jesus became the "totality of sin" on the cross, "Jesus Christ knew the only way he would stop Satan was by becoming one in nature with him" or his many false prophecies. Its not fair to place an equal sign between the two. Doing some more research found that YWAM actually supports Benny Hinn, can you believe that?

Loren Cunningham, founder of YWAM, was also on the Benny Hinn "This Is Your Day" TV program for 5 days in a row (a record for one individual) from 2/4 to 2/8/02 where he also endorsed Hinn's ministry.

The Bible warns not to love the world, the interests and attitudes that it has. It’s none-sense to say that we cant love the things that God created such as mountains, trees, the sky, and people. We are not to take on the attitudes and interests of the world but we are to be the salt and light of the world; we are the changing elements in the world by Jesus' power however its sad that it seems that the world changing us, at least this is the case in the churches I have attended. Whatever movies, clothing, or music is popular with the world then Christians go for it as well. If it’s cool to get a body pierce or tattoo then we run to get one. If a music group is the rave with the world, we are their fans as well. It should be that the world is so drawn to us and so facinated with our attitudes that they want what we have inside. In fact, many so called Christians live and look just as athiests. Of course we all have our bad days, I'll raise my hand and say that I have been rude to some, though it was usually during a time of stress.

The Bible says that when someone is born again they become brand new, a new creation, old things have passed away. Sure we still have the flesh but that excuse shouldnt define what we are, Christians have the Holy Spirit as well. I dont want to go around and tell some that they arent saved, but according to the Bible those who live like sinners are not going to heaven, but Ill let God judge them.

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It shouldnt be strange for anyone who wants to please God and live a holy life to be upset at evil infiltating the Church, so also it shouldnt be strange to take a stand against it.

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I remember one time at Northview during a college and career night, the staff was showing a stunt that they had filmed earlier that week. The stunt was done like the Super Dave Osborn theme complete with a Super Dave and the imitations. They accelerated a vehicle over a large ramp and the car got trashed. I needed a car at that time and the one that they totalled, I would have loved to have. The back ground the music they played was Coolio, a gangster rap star who wrote another song that described him making love to a girl with the barrel of a pistol. Thank the Lord they didn’t play that song however the church leaders had the coldness to play Coolio in the church sanctuary, on the speakers.

For those of you who think that God isn’t concerned with the church building at all, go and read what Jesus did when they compromised in the Jerusalem Temple. Jesus over threw the tables and whipped the men who were selling. God DOES care about what goes on in church.

At one baptism, at a different Church, beside the water tank was a change room on the left for the males and a change room on the right for females. A large group were baptized that day and when the girls left their changing rooms, one of the guys came out behind them smiling. He played a joke on his day of baptism, after he was immersed he went to the guys change room but then crawled behind the tank to the females side, one female opened the door and thats how he ended up walking out with them.

Baptism is an command from Jesus to show the world you live for Jesus now, that you have been saved. To be irreverent during a bpatism is showing contempt for the Holy ordinance of God. The Apostles also prayed and laid their hands on the person after they where baptized, I wonder why hardly any Churches do the same now.

How did we slip this far? Even at Christian parties I’m not free to be Christian. Can you believe that? Chris and I put in a Jesus video on during a Roaring 20’s party and other Christians mocked us for it. One guy told us to put our volume down because they could hear it mixed with their secular rock and roll. Chris made a remark about their choice of music and the guy replied, “Don’t judge or you’ll be judged’ to which Chris replied, “IM not the one with the beer in my hand”. During the same party that same person was standing in a circle of Christians that were smoking and he made this joke as he waved his smoke, “Look, were Christians on fire!” I call them the "Roaring 20's Rabble". While Roaring 20's was still
in operation they offered missions opportunities from time to time. Interesting in one mission, I asked my closets friends
during a get together, probably ten people where there. "Im going on a mission trip, does anyone here want to support me
financially". They paused, but without one word, then the babble and small talk continued.

My brother and I had a work out buddy who wasn't saved and we tried to get into Northview. Finally he came and on his first visit after Roaring 20's
I asked him "Nice Church right? The females are very pretty too eh?" ..his stern reply "I didnt come for the females". I was
humbled and thought to myself "Dave next time dont assume". Within a few months he admitted having sex with a Roaring 20's who just came back from a missions trip not long before-get this- in Northview's parking lot. She later got pregnant. Do you see why I have such a attitude towards Northview? I could tell you lots more but I will spare you.

One time I wrote the Senior Pastor of my church and complained of one of the services we held. It was at a “home-coming” event in September when all the members where back from summer holidays and it was time to get back into the regular church schedule. The theme they had was done after the block buster movie that just came out that year called “Mission Impossible”. Since we usually have 4 services on the weekend we had to rent a stadium in order to fit all the people in at one big service for Home-coming. The Pastors all dressed in black pants and T-shirts and were escorted to the stage in espionage style with the music included . One Pastor was driven in a convertible sports car. One came on a motor bike and after a ramp jump, it disappeared behind the stage and then the Pastor came out. Then from the roof above us a few Pastors came repelling down from the high rafters sliding down on ropes. The grand entrance was done by the Senior Pastor in a helicopter that landed right in the auditorium. At this time I was getting sick of the Roaring 20’s attitude and I didn’t think it was right to mimic a Hollywood movie, even if it was done in a small way. I believe the gospel of Jesus is powerful enough to reach people without stage shows. At first glance this may not seem to be so bad and I too was caught up in the excitement at first. I was taught at church to think WWJD. In long form, What Would Jesus Do. We can think about what Jesus would do but I like this one more: DWJD --- Do What Jesus Did. I thought of Jesus sitting beside me as the show was going on and wondered what He thought of the whole event. I think Jesus would have stood and cried out, “What are you doing my people? Is this what you do when you come together to worship Me? Is this the way you see Me, accepting the evil in Hollywood?

The Bible warns us not to get entangled with the trappings of this world and to not love the world’s ways. Jesus said what is highly esteemed among men is an abomination to God. Jesus turned over tables in the temple because of compromise and I wanted my voice heard. I wrote my pastor and I told him that I liked most of the message but not the one that wasn’t spoken.

One time I was invited to watch a video at a friend’s house and his family attends the same church (Northview). As I looked at their video library I found all sorts of rated “R’ videos but only one Christian video. It was Veggie Tales. I used to buy the videos for my neices and nephews but now after closer examination the videos joke about the stories in the Bible all done by hard to believe vegetable characters. I think there should be more reverence to make sure we are getting across the right message to the children. We need to be a shade for them in this time of storm.

During one Saturday night service at Northview a ceiling light came on fire and the alarm went off. Most were just sitting there looking at the fire, stunned as fiery plastic drippings fell. Someone grabbed the fire extiguisher and tested it down the aisle to see how far it could spray and it sprayed all the way to the front from near the back doors of the sanctuary.He then aimed it at the fire and a very large man yelled, "Put that down". From that experience it showed me the apathy people have today.. There will be a urgency in the church but most are too comfortable, we pick up attitudes and then try to act within that standard. My advice is get out of that mold, don't copy it. We follow Jesus. Many Christians look for a book or a speaker to help them but we have a book, the Bible. God doesn't want you to spend lots of money looking for peace, He has readily provided it if we are obedient and go against our sin nature to read it often. Some people do read the Bible and it does nothing for them because they read only favorite easy verses and then they are not obedient to the harder verses. We have to take the whole Bible as truth- a engine with half the parts missing doesn't run very good. Many turn to chicken soup for the Christian soul, or Chicken soup for the parent- someone should write a book called chicken soup for people who read chicken soup.

When I share my testimony with 'stronger' believers and they condescend and listen to the 'weaker' brother, and they must because he can take only vegetables but they can handle any meat but they have to bear with me as I admonish to take up the cross and reject sinful lifestyles. "All things are lawful to me". The condencending often feel the bravado of putting up with the 'weaker' brother. Maybe the 'weaker' just might know a little of the Bible and didn't twist it out of context. Vegetables in that passage are real vegetables, meat sacrificed to idols was sold was talking about real meat- these verses arent talking about swallowing sin, the context is swallowing food. Many mis-translate 'meat' to be sinning under grace that the weaker brother cant take. On judgement day God will give us the meaning in context if we cant read and understand what it is clearly saying in scriptures today. They swallow sin and think they are stronger yet then the 'religious' brother. I dont how they got to this conclusion when the Bible speaks on holiness over and over in scriptures, even if you read the bible upisde down or backwards you cant escape it. Its typical though that most claim freedom in Christ yet they trampling on His sacrifice, God wont spare the unrepentant but they think He will. Read the Bible if you dont believe me but your mind might lock or freeze when you hit those verses because its not your world view, but if its God's accept it, obey it. Jesus said if you love Me then what? ...obey My commandments. The confused gospel in your mind is your problem, not God's. He will help you if you stop reading the Bible with your theology screen on the pages. Remove it, let God's Theology renew your mind.

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Did it ever occur to you that the "religious" brother might be following God's commands?

We shouldnt entertain lustful thoughts, we are to obey Jesus commands and to follow Him with a perfect heart. When Jesus says jump we should ask "How high Sir?". Jesus commands us to keep pure (Romans 12:1) yet many Christians are living half an existance, spending half their time battling temptations of which many where self inflicted from movies , music etc. Get that sin out of you, its clogging everything up-your mind, ambitions, attitudes. Guys, when a girl tempts you, the first thought should be "Yeah right, it wont work Delilah..Im Jesus' servant" The true test of love for Jesus is how you handle difficult temptations. Do you love Jesus more then that?

Now lets look further into the seriousness of the sin. In the Law, if a married person was caught in adultery both of them were to be stoned to death. If a single guy raped a single girl in the country (out of the city for the Law assumes she cried and no one heard her) then the punishment for him was to pay the bride price and he had to marry the girl. He was never allowed to divorce her all his life because he humbled her. So we see the two penalties are extremely different, the sin of the marriage required death, the one sin between single people required a bride price.

God is trying to tell us something about the importance of marriage by the punishment. I think the bond of marriage goes deeper then we credit it.

It is not impossible to stay faithful to your spouse. In the past I gave details of the temptations I faced but the details might have have aroused passion in some so I erased them. Lets just say I have been in the most bizzarre situations where sex with very attractive women have been so easy.

God isn't going to control us to do His will, He will provide a way out and allows us decide- totally on our own. It is the luxury of choice that He gives us. There is no "set up to fall" or "it was destiny" we cant hide behind theses excuses because they arent true. One 'brother' named Mikey who had an affair on his wife told me something like: "Well I kept running into this blonde girl at the store and we eventually started having an affair. My wife and I broke up but then eventually we came back together. Now our marriage is stronger so it was meant to happen"

Not unless the Bible is wrong because the book of James says that God will not lead anyone into sin;

13 Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. 14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. (Author Underlined point)

According to God's word, not Mikey's, we are enticed and then digress into sin if we chose to.

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This is a hot subject and we will take a look at worship today in detail as there is strong evidence that the enemy has influenced worship. Worship is moving in a different direction, one that is not focusing on God but on a experience or feeling.

Mormons and other cults have praise and worship and the words seem to be glorifying God so why wouldn’t it be beneficial for a Christian to listen to Mormons CD’s? I don’t know about you but I wouldn’t voluntarily listen to any faith movement CD’s including the ones offered by Benny Hinn Ministries.

The reason any discerning Christian wouldn't buy a Mormon, JW, or faith movement CD is because the god they sing about and glorify on the CD will be a different god and not the God of the Bible.

With any deceit one must measure it against the rule of the Bible and see if it lines up. So in modern praise and worship, are they singing about the God that is written in the Holy Scriptures?

This is a hard subject to write about due to artistic freedom of writing songs, few question where the praise is going to. We have beautiful worship songs and I love many of them but on the same note I have found that most of the modern praise songs emphasize on getting a touch from God or our fulfilling our desires.

Praising with the right spirit is a important and very few discern or test songs to see if the words are truthful, meaning that they are doctrinally sound. Many will accuse me of “splitting hairs” but with what is going on in the Church today we must see where the Church has been led astray and lets be real, the church is in a mess right now. To just go along with life as before will prove to change nothing.

In churches today I will be attending a service and everything will be fine and then all of a sudden the singer changes his style of worship. The synthesizer will be more drawn out, the notes will go on and thats the time to ask; Is this emotion to worship the Lord or is this irreverent hypnosis. I cant really explain it in words at what happens but any discerning Christian can pick it up. Remember the enemy is very sneaky, don't think your local congregation cant be deceived. Be fair and test it out before giving in to the moment.

We are called to worship in spirit and truth:

John 4:24

God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."

What does that mean? On watching sports we often hear a term said that describes the team’s character, goals and style. They call it team spirit. The term used in the Bible is harder to describe but you can safely believe that God wants us to praise with the right attitudes, motives, and to Him. Here is an example how this word "spirit" is used...the same Greek word used in a different verse to explain the depth better (Strongs Exhaustive Greek reference):

Philippians 1:27-30

27 Only let your conduct be worthy of the gospel of Christ, so that whether I come and see you or am absent, I may hear of your affairs, that you stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel, 28 and not in any way terrified by your adversaries, which is to them a proof of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that from God. 29 For to you it has been granted on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake, 30 having the same conflict which you saw in me and now hear is in me. NKJV (underline the same greek word for "spirit")

Now with the false doctrines of the faith movement, one can safely say that people there are not in the right spirit. The name and claim it , blab it and grab it doctrines, the heresy that faith is a force or energy is a different gospel. If a person thinks that they can listen to false teachings, go along with them and not be effected by the spirit there, it is under estimating the enemy's power to deceive. It doesn’t take long to sing in the same spirit (definition above) of the crowd around you. Not only this factor but the pressure to conform with the crowd will draw you further in to that spirit. Im not talking about a 'being' spirit but more of a atmosphere, or ambience with that particular group. In short, the songs can have good words like 'Jesus" "worship" "holy" but their definitions from that group are different that what the Bible describes. Watch out if you feel a trance coming on, or "power evangelism" styled worship which results in hype and esoteric experiences that are not Biblical. Many modern worship pumps up the singer with the use of energy or power built up in it. It takes a sensitive spiritual radar to catch what is happening in the Church today and to spot a "different spirit".

The Jehovah Witness have a team spirit , the Mormons have a different team spirit and they will sing about Jesus but the Jesus they sing to is not the same Jesus as the Bible, therefore we warn Christians that they are a cult:

2 Corinthians 11:3-4

. 3 But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted--you may well put up with it! NKJV

What Paul is saying here is that there are false christs and false gospels and he feared that the people that he ministers were in some way deceived. He warns them not to receive a different Jesus or a different spirit. He also knows that they may easily accept these false teachings. It’s the same today,

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We see here this deceit is very difficult to spot. Do we really think that we can outwit the devil when it comes to knowing what deceits he placed in the church today? We have only scratched the surface on the work the enemy is doing. Remember that the devil has been doing his work of deceit for about 6000 years and we live for maybe 100. Most of our lives are spent trying to learn about life and God; how we got here, what is proper conduct, what are the best principles to live by, fulfilling our dreams and raising children. Even something that looks as innocent as the Gaither's band. Many listen to them to bring back nostalgic memories. "We are standing, on Holy ground. And I know that there are angels all around". Later in the song Mrs Gaither boldly sings "So if you have a need I know He has the answer. Just reach out and claim it for you are standing on holy ground." Oh How nice. The Gaithers are good friends with Paul and Jan Crouch and that song is sung at Hinn's crusades frequently. Remember the devil is sneaky on how he fools us. Don't let your guard down for any warm fuzzies.

The devil has only one goal for about 6000 years , that is to deceive God's chosen ones. We are after all, the apple of God’s eye and precious in His sight.

Looking back in the history we see examples of the masses giving in to a Charismatic leader or powerful movement. One example is Hitler. How is it that the masses followed such a mad man but praised him at the time? Hitler was the hero at the time, people trusted him as the one to bring prosperity and a new powerful Germany. There was a evil energy behind it. How about the crucifixion of Christ? They saw the miracles, they heard the wonderful teachings, but the leaders convinced the mob to shout "Crucify Him! Crucify Him!". Jesus previously told them this would happen;

He told them about a vineyard owner who sent servants to retreive some of the yeild from the grapes. The men who tended the vineyard mocked and abused the ones who where sent to collect. Finally the owner sent his son thinking that the Vineyard workers would respect him. But the Vineyard workers said to themselves-lets kill his son then the inheritence will be ours! The blood thirsty crowd shouted to crucify Jesus and there must have been a moment of complete evil madness as they chose to release a murderer rather then the Giver of life.

Sinners dont realise that gratifying the flesh brings little satisfaction, it also brings the intense wrath of God. The wonderful thing is that God loves them. If Jesus still loved those who crucified Him, how much more those who at one time praised Him, adored Him? I believe straying sheep are always welcomed back home. How many times must we face the pain of sin before we learn to stay close to His loving side.

There are many dynamics that are used to convince and keep people in these heretical movements. In general, to be committed to a cult or group the person must believe that the group in question has one up on other groups. Feeling that you belong to group more into "truth" then other groups keeps the person in the group. "Dave, that church doesn't operate in the gifts of the Spirit...thats why you should stay here". Or, "The pastor gives such depth in the message, you wont hear this anywhere else."

Cults such as Mormons, Jehovah witness, faith movement keep the people devoted by making them think they have the real truth. These are very powerful tools of persuasion. The only way to escape deceit is to stidy the Bible alone, with no tapes, books, just the Bible alone. After much study you will notice any error with your pastors teachings. If a Mormon or JW is reading this, find a King James Bible and read it from cover to cover at least 7 times. Then compare it with the "extra" books that are printed by your group. Fear God more then your freinds or family and leave when you find the real truth.

A strong way to deceive is to get the people in a semi-trance and condition their minds so they will accept the teaching that is coming up. Hypnotists carefully speak in deliberate tones and timing to aid in putting the person in a trance. Yves Brault writes about how Benny Hinn uses the same technique as the famous hypnotist Messmer, where we get the term "mesmerized" from. Messmer used a lead glass flute ( now banned due to lead poisoning) the flute had a unique sound and Messmer would play it in such a way that it would lull the people into a trance. He would use persausive words and the power of suggestion to get the people in a trance. Brault has a old picture of Messmer placing his hand toward a lady as she is falling and right beside that picture he has another one of Benny doing the exact same thing. Don't under estimate the power of music. Also remember that the people in the meeting are already conditioned from what they saw on TV and the reactions of the whole crowd in the meeting. Its very powerful.

Brault also knows one of Benny's brothers, Chris Hinn in Florida. Chris was a travel agent that took care of Benny's crusade travel aragements. He took Benny to court over not getting paid for airfares and Benny settled out of court. This brother of Benny's called him "the Christian maffia" and I couldn't agree with him more.

If you carefully watched the speaking style of faith teachers and they use the same manipulation. Being a member in the VCC choir I experienced first hand the differences in styles of the singing. Sometimes Henry would practice with the choir, informing us on the the hand signals to speed up or slow down, all this done in orchestration from the synthesizer and his own voice to create that atmsosphere he so wants.

The words of the songs chosen usually have connotations that invite an experience. Words like “Breathe on us” or “Fill this place with your presence” “There’s going to be a mighty Revival”. They even sing a song that shouts to the devil, the words go, “ Satan, the blood of Jesus is against you”. These words effect the mind and prepare the people to soak up what is coming next.

Faith movement churches feel that God is moving powerfully there and are always speaking of a mighty revival to come, they build up hype like multi-level marketing meeting and it shows through during the praise and worship. he general feeling I got was that, “ we are the elite, we have the truth, forget about those conservative and stale Chruches! Move out of our way because a revival is about to come”. It’s a hype hard to describe and one will not totally understand unless they spent some time in this movement, which I do not recommend for a second.

I have asked myself the question, “Am I being too critical on this topic?” I do have concerns because I know that I can be deceived easily . You may be a strong Christian, a leader, a evangelist it doesn't matter. If you give in to the casual Christian attitudes you will fall for deceit if it presented itself. I seem harsh with my words at times, why? If you don't hate deceit with a passion then you will agree with wild heretical interpetations when they come your way. Just as a friend proclaimed- "Well I got slain in the spirit so don't tell me its not from God." If you don't rebuke them then you have only one other option- to go along with it. You must know what is false and what is truth. To rebuke your friend that is in error is actually commanded, the Bible implies that if you don't warn its actually showing that you hate them:

Lev.19: 15....In righteousness you shall judge your neighbor... 17...You shall not hate your brother in your heart. You shall surely rebuke your neighbor, and not bear sin because of him.

According to that verse we bear the sin if we don't rebuke. I ask for God's mercy on me for all the times I didn't rebuke when I should have. 1 Corinthians 5 says we are to judge those inside the church, not those outside. When we just smile at friends that talk about the anointing, Benny Hinn, or any other heresy, we are not loving by being tolerant to their beliefs. Again, the Bible calls it hating them but today rebuke is equated with a judgemtal attitude- even though it is commanded in the Bible.

This web site gives plenty of evidence against these movements...why do people still cling to them after seeing the truth? Its not obeying God thats for sure. Dear reader, if you read this whole site and still cling to Alpha, the faith movement or other groups mentioned...do yourself a favour, don't think you are still right with God. "But Im witnessing to people, praying with them, reading my Bible and trying to serve the Lord don't tell me...."-one lady evangelist protested. You can have all the ministry in the world but if you allow heresy in your life then the service isn't for God. Want the hard truth...this might hard to swallow- in that case, the ministry is for yourself and the motives would be too deep for me to
understand.

I don't relish the thought of rebuking someone, in fact I usually struggle with the Lord about rebuke as I don't like to meddle in others business. As time goes on people are getting colder and that makes it harder to share scripture with.
Even to write this expose was hard, if it wasn't for God's grace I would still be in the movement as some of my friends are. I dont see many brothers standing up for truth today and often this goes through my mind " if Im one of the few that are left standing, then the Church is in huge trouble"

If we warn with the right attitude- with love, but without compromise, that person will repent and get back on track with God. The risk is worth it. The enemy is so in the church that there should be warning alarms sounding off at every street corner but we just go on without realising how serious the situation is. Wrong attitudes, worship are just some avenue the enemy is using. When "hell breaks loose" or Jesus return I wonder how many will be ready servants.

Are you a strong Christian beloved? Do you pray, evangelize, are you on fire for Jesus? Watch out below if you say so. The strongest Christian can be fooled by these subtle teachers and I lately I have been seeing many popular Christians on TBN endorsing the movement. One 'brother' named Mikey scoffed, "Dave don't get me wrong but how could you be so stupid as to listen to Henry Hinn". Later the same guy fell into the Universal movement.

Bill Bright, though he did many great works for Jesus and the founder of the largest Christian Evangelism Organization in the world, fell into the trap and accepted Jan and Paul Crouch as friends in Jesus. I failed miserably as well. Anyone else need humbling? It will happen, maybe not into the faith movement but something else.

I can only see one type of Christian not falling- a humble person who fears God's word, will reject 'friends' invitations to something new (and even reject their best friend if they are a spiritual hazard to them). They would not get trapped into worldy pleasures, ambitions, modern Christian politics. They would love Jesus more then all.

Remember that any deceit that is easily seen is NOT a strong deceit. A strong one is one that SEEMS to be from God and the person who involves himself in it thinks that he is doing God’s will. It is very hard to spot what is true worship and what is not, we often accept things as a spiritual work of God when really it was the enemy doing the act:

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“For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into a angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.” 2 Corinthians 11:13-15

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We have become very gullible to accept any ‘revival’ or “out-pouring’ as from God. Christians accept them as from God with little or no testing the teachings with scripture. Not every act of worship is accepted by God, the Bible states this. A person can be singing and depending on the circumstance, the Lord sometimes rejects it as noise:

Amos 5:21-27

21 "I hate, I despise your feast days, And I do not savor your sacred assemblies. 22 Though you offer Me burnt offerings and your grain offerings, I will not accept them, Nor will I regard your fattened peace offerings. 23 Take away from Me the noise of your songs, For I will not hear the melody of your stringed instruments. 24 But let justice run down like water, And righteousness like a mighty stream.

Notice in these verses what God wants from us, justice and righteousness. In just the last ten years I have noticed a huge change in the church. It was never perfect but there was a fear of God in the church and usually anyone who called themselves a Christian were obedient to God’s word. These times are very different then before, after listening to "motivational" speakers (many just give away secrets on how to rip others off for your benefit) and acceptance of many
evils in the Church we have become like the unregenerated...and in some areas even worse.

I deal with many Christians in business and lately most have been shifty with me. Do you really love your brother as yourself? Many business owners pay their workers so cheap that they would never consider that wage for themselves...but they treat their neighbor as they would treat themselves...right. I shouldnt even have to write this but the worldiness had crept in the Church and many want the gusto without paying for it, but it will cost someone- if not you then your brother. Dont line your pockets with money at the expense of someone else. God sees all this and I believe harsh judgement will be handed down but to them it will be a complete suprise. Many act good but by thier actions they are not. Of course for friends and family its only right to give them a deal . Im speaking about it business dealing with business or Christian employer paying workers cheap. I know some that own gas stations, shops, construction crews and they are lining their pockets with money that should go to the workers and yes there are times when we should cut a deal for friends or family.

As the Church loses its faithfulness to Jesus the world around us falls apart, we are the salt and light to a dying world. But our light has become dim, our salt has no taste. Even a Judge of no religion summized the immoral delimma to liberalism in religion:

WISDOM FROM BORK - Judge Robert Bork (1/99 Charisma) says: "I am not a religious man, but America is now in moral anarchy! I do not believe it even can survive without a sweeping spiritual revival." In his 1997 best-selling book, Slouching Toward Gomorrah, he cited religious liberalism as a major cause for the virtual decline of decency, integrity, and traditional morality in many sectors of American life (4/15/97 CC).

WORLDLY MUSIC—Gordon Sears (6/25 Sword of the Lord) says: "It is surprising to me how many Christians ask 'what do you mean by worldly?' when speaking of today's music. Only a few years ago Christians didn't ask that question—they knew exactly what worldliness meant. The entrance of Contemporary Christian Music has brought a great amount of confusion as to what worldly means….Worldly simply means 'of or like the world.' Satan is called 'the god of this world.' It is his purpose to blind the minds of people so that they do not understand nor receive the truth of the gospel of Christ."

On the tapes that I gave to almost all the Northview pastors and my friends there are quotes from the famous Vineyard movement, known for their music. In 1990 John Arnott and Randy Clark were very influential pastors of large Vineyard churches. Both of them admitted that they were involved with the faith movement. Randy Clark got anointed by Rodney Howard Browne at a meeting in Rhema (Hagin's College where dirt bike Tim from Edmonton attended). John Arnott openly claims that he and Benny Hinn are old friends and that Benny anoints him from time to time. After Randy Clark got anointed at Rhema he came back to his home church and shared what happened at Rhema with his congregation. He asked his church if anyone wanted to get that anointing- wall to wall people lined up. People started to fall down everywhere. John Arnott from Toronto, Canada heard of what happened to Randy and the new move happening in his church. Arnott asked Randy if he could come to Canada and bring that anointing to his church. Clark came and shared this anointing with the people and soon the church in Toronto started to get other manifestations such as barking, roaring, shaking, and laughing. Many from around the world went to experience the revival in Toronto, which is known as “The Toronto Blessing” (TB).

After some time it got really crazy and the Vineyard tried to maintain integrity by cosmetically seperating themselves from it. Though they claim that they separated themselves from the Toronto Blessing (TB) wave, from Randy Clark's web page (www.globalawakening.com) they are still in full fellowship with each other. Clark his former position as a Vineyard pastor, he now travels from church to church spreading the revival that started in Toronto (TB) of which his web site claims has never stopped...and just who is inviting Randy Clark to share TB with them? None othere then the Vineyard itself.

On the scedule link (March 9 2002) Clark still visits Arnott's church in Toronto and ALSO on his schedule he has a number of Vineyard churches:

Coastal Community Vineyard, Pastor Steve Mattis,

(910)392-2899 ; Cambridge Vineyard Church, Pastor Dave Smeltzer, (617)252-0005 ;
Vineyard Christian Church, Pastor David Young,(716)454-1690;

2003, March 7-9 Tentative Hood River, OR VCF of Hood River Pastors Sue & Denny Anderson 541-386-7070

May 2-4 Confirmed Laguna Nigel, CA Vineyard Christian Fellowship

Todd Bentley from fresh fire ministries is travelling with Clark to Seattle in March 2003 for a circus act. Bentley was recently in Abbotsford for a "revival" an Abbotsford news paper had a huge front page photo of people being slain. Bentley web page has Holy Trinity Brompton as one favorite link (Alpha course started there). Randy Clark's web page heavily promotes the late John Wimber style called "Power Evangelism", or signs and wonders (the style Alpha preaches). Its no wonder as Gumbel points the call to his ministry was John Wimber anointing him and prophesying over him (evidence given later). You may hear about Jesus and Christianity in Alpha but what kind of Jesus? What kind of Christianity?

Also one Vineyard guy from Illinios admitted in a email that Clark was invited to his church and they had the 'Toronto Blessing' manifestations there.

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The evidence clearly states that the Toronto Blessing is far from over in the Vineyard, its very much alive. The separation was only a spoof.
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A new Vineyard CD is out called 'Winds of Worship Vol.3: Live from Toronto, Canada' from the airport Vineyard. The CD is considered a carry over volume in which the Winds of Worship London belong. Its really clear that the separation was a spoof with these CD's coming out, its like the Vineyard had a re-union or something after 10 plus years. It features popular Vineyard artists like David Ruis from Vineyard Christian Fellowship Kelowna, B.C.

The lines in the sand are becoming clearer as the days pass by. Dear reader, you must make your decision on which side you will stand on. The next time you pop a winds of worship CD in, or sing a Vineyard song at Church, remember what they have done and are doing at the Toronto Vineyard. No apologize , no regrets from that club at all. Before these new releases it was hard to expose the Vineyard as many would stand, "The Toronto Vineyard has nothing to do with them any longer". I knew they did but it was hard to prove, now its all out in the open.

I was shocked when I the Vineyard link came together because I loved their music and I considered the Vineyard to be the epitome of spiritual music. Often I would listen to he songs over and over and get lost in moment. I started to ask tough questions about the Vineyard movement. I thought of all the Vineyard attendees I know and all of them have a optimism that the Vineyard is free from “religion” and that it is the pattern for worship and Christian living. One of them told me that they never had any manifestations like barking in his church. I met another girl from the Vineyard while I was painting a house that she was renting in. As we talked, she admitted to me that witchcraft intrigued her and even though she knew it was bad she felt tempted to try it.

The early years of the Vineyard attitudes were the same as they are today. In the book, “No Compromise” the story of Keith Green, the Vineyard is mentioned a few times. During Keith’s early years of seeking the Lord and conversion he met some Christians who said that they were involved in a movement called the Vineyard. They invited Keith to Bible studies and Keith and Melody were amazed at the nice spiritual music:

"...Kenn led the group in some songs we'd never heard before. Not knowing any of the words, we just listened:

Father, I adore you

Lay my life before you

How I love you

The words just flowed over me. People broke into gentle harmonies that all seemed to weave in and out of each other. I felt a strange sense of peace start to wash over me" Page 89

Melody and Keith started meeting and making friends with Vineyard people:

"We also told Todd about our experiences with the Vineyard fellowship and all the neat new people we were meeting" Page 96

"we go to church on the beach! It was non-tradtitional, and that had a strong appeal. However, we found that there were some rules we didn't want to see broken.

One day we overheard some of our Christian friends talking about a party. We were immediately curious. One of them said,'Keith, we don't think you'd be interested in going. It's pretty wild.''What do yo mean wild?' It's at Leo's house. Sometimes he has lots of booze and dope around. Some people from the study will be there.'

We knew Leo had a drinking problem, but we thought he was fighting it. We didn't believe he would throw a party and invite other Christians. The next night, Keith and I decided to go and see for ourselves. As we walked up the stairs we heard blasting music. Inside, it was wall-to-wall people most of them lying on the floor or on big pillows. Carefully stepping over the guests, we took one sweep through the house-there were a few kegs of beer, some people smoking dope and, sure enough, there were a few people there from the Bible study-and they weren't just passing through. We left right away feeling very upset." Pages 107-108

They had strong feelings against Christians getting loaded but they didn't know what to do. They read in Ezekiel to warn others of their sin.

They called of friend of theirs, Tom, who sometimes helped lead Bible studies and attended the Vineyard yet he was having sex with his girlfriend! Worried for his soul, they cast lots to see who should call him. Melody was chosen. She did it nervously

but they were all happy when it was finally done. They told the Vineyard Pastor that they warned Tom and his reply was:

"You know, you probably shouldnt have called... maybe it would have been better if you just prayed"...as we drove home that night we were really confused. Just prayed? What kind of advice was that?...First the wild party at Leo's. Now Tom" Page 110

"...Its not just Tom. It's alot of people. They know the right words to say, but their lives don't match up...All we knew was that we were getting really frustrated with what we were seeing all around us" Page 111.

They met a girl named Feather who was really skeptical of Christians. She gave Keith a run for his money. Keith told her that not all Christians are hypocrites. She eventually gave in and prayed with Keith. They took her to the Cramer's house so she could meet some REAL Christians. The Cramer's lived next door to Leo's. The Cramer's were not home but they heard some noise in the backyard at Leo's so they sat down in chairs at the pool side to talk:

"...the sliding glass door flung open wide. A new Christian we met at the Cramer's home came charging out at full speed. He ran across the concrete with his hands raised over his head, yelling-'Praise the Lord!'-and dove into the pool. There was only one problem. He was totally naked." Page 113

They never saw Feather again and now Keith was questioning Christians altogether due to their conduct:

"Something's really wrong here,' he said. 'Ive struggled too hard and too long to find Jesus." Page 113 .

Do you get the same feeling-something is really wrong? I met Vineyard goers and it is much the same as the faith movement the only difference is that the faith movement preaches more on financial giving and positive confession. The Vineyard is all for new manifestations and experiences from God but they are NOT known for sound teaching. Some of the things they accept in their churches, such as anointing from the faith movement, is distorting the true gospel of Jesus. They also feel that they are on a new wave and that they have been blessed with wonders from God.

I wrote that they are spreading the Toronto Blessing still in North America but it is spreading further than that. The Vineyard is still promoting the Toronto Blessing in the UK and here is some evidence that was promised, still more to come later. Lets not forget the thousands of people who were at the Toronto Vineyard who were caught up in shaking, barking, slain, drunkenness. The deceit by involvement in this thing just doesn't go away easy.

Ellie Mumford, wife of Southwest London Vineyard Pastor John Mumford, is repsonsible for being a catylist to spread the Toronto Blessing in the UK.

Nicky Gumbel, who wrote the famous Alpha Bible study Course, talks about Ellie in the Alpha video series 3, talk 9.
He recalls how someone was THROWN ACROSS THE ROOM when Ellie invited the "Holy" spirit to move:

"Ellie Mumford told us a little bit of what she had seen in Toronto...it was obvious that Ellie was just dying to pray for all of us.. then she said 'Now we'll invite the Holy Spirit to come.' and the moment she said that one of the people there was thrown, literally, across the room and was lying on the floor, just howling and laughing....making the most incredible noise....I experienced the power of the Spirit in a way I hadn't experienced for years, like massive electricity going through my body... One of the guys was prophesying. He was just lying there prophesying. . ."

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Ellie is a Pastor for Southwest London Vineyard, the Church where the Winds of Worship London came from

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When Ellie speaks, people listen...then spaz out:

"Mumford spoke at the morning service … at the end, she prayed for the Holy Spirit to come … Members of the congregation began to laugh. People began to fall . Soon the whole church was affected. There were scenes that few had ever seen before . At the evening service the scenes were repeated" (The Impact of Toronto, p21); "Mumford asked the congregation to stand while she prayed … Immediately people began to laugh hysterically, weep, shake, jerk, bark and roar" (The Toronto Blessing, p13, as quoted in Roger Oakland, New Wine or Old Deception? (The Word For Today, 1995), p19).

Nicky Gumbel , (the author of Alpha) states that the Toronto Blessing and Alpha are of the same move of the "holy spirit":

"I believe it is no coincidence that the present movement of the Holy Spirit [TB] has come at the same time as the explosion of the Alpha Courses. I think the two go together." [Nicky Gumbel, 'The Spirit and Evangelism', Renewal, May 1995, p15].

Gumbel also says that people who were into New Age grasp the Alpha course better than the fundamentalist during the "holy spirit weekend". Near the end of the course, the group goes to a secluded location and then they are persuaded to speak in tongues and there are stories of strange things that happen during this week. No doubt due to its connection to the TB ideals that are in the author it eventually spews out as evidence that they do catch what he is trying to say:

"I have found on Alpha that those from an essentially enlightened background feel at home with the parts of the course which appeal to the mind, but often have difficulty in experiencing the Holy Spirit. Others coming from the New Age movement find that rational and historical explanations leave them cold, but at the weekend away they are on more familiar territory in experiencing the Holy Spirit." [Telling Others, p19].

Randy Clark's web site DEC 2002 www.globalawakening.com has some links to favorite sites. The links include Holy Trinity Brompton, various Vineyard churches, Todd Bently of fresh fire ministries who just put on a show in Abbotsford recently where people where falling down and manifesting. As I was painting a home for people who attend Northview, they had the Abbotsford paper with the front cover showing people slain. I remarked "coming to a Church near you". That was in 2002 and if Northview continues its path, these things will start to happen there.

These guys are linked more closer then just their websites-the teachings are very similar. Gumbel credits his call to ministry after getting anointed by the late John Wimber (of the Vineyard who popularised the "signs and wonders" movement") Gumbel and Wimber had a shouting match as he was getting prayed over:

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~emcd/index30.htm

"A man called John Wimber came to speak at the church … After the talk a very nice American came over to me and said … "Well, is there anything else that you would like us to pray for?" So I said, "Well, what I would really like to pray for is the power of the Spirit in my life" … After he had been praying for about 30 seconds, all I can say is I felt this incredible power - it was like 10,000 volts ….......{Gumbel, is the Holy Spirit a force or a Person? Because if the Alpha's holy spirit is a Power force then you've got a cult happening; The trojan horse that the Church let in}.......... going through my body. In fact, it was so powerful that after a bit I couldn’t take it any more but I think he had only just got onto the ministry team because he only had one prayer and it was "More power, Lord!" And every time he prayed this prayer, the power increased! So after a bit I couldn’t take it any longer and I started praying against him! I started saying, "No more power, Lord!" But he carried on praying, "More power, Lord!" So eventually there was this shouting match going on in the middle of the room. John Wimber … said, "Take that one out!" So they carried me out through the French windows! And as I was being carried out John Wimber said, "God is giving to that man power to tell people about Jesus Christ". And I have often looked back at that as a very significant moment in my life."

Was John Wimber such a man of God that he could give powers, this sounds like a cartoon; I give you the power! I got the power! No my power is stronger!? Click here for how Wimber started his ministry----.

Gumbel has been invited as a guest speaker in 2004 at Toronto Airport Vineyard (Again known for barking, shaking, laughing, drunkenness ect. repeated to drive the message home). It is clear that Gumbel's theology is based on esoteric experiences, not on sound doctrine. Every Christian must ask why Alpha is taken off so rapidly in the Church, why do we see it as a great program to draw in the unsaved? Are we on the narrow road or on the broad road? Is the enemy infiltrating the Church by these programs?

At the end of the Vineyard song, "Lord reign in me" there is a person- or a few- making what sounds like a hyena.

At the end of one of Hillsongs Australia song, " I worship you" someone lets out a screech or a very weird animal noise that they tried to fade out with the mixer.

Remember the Toronto Blessing started from Vineyard pastors who got the anointing from Rhema faith movement , this was the root of the Toronto Blessing. Gumbel claims that the TB is the 'same spirit as Alpha'. Look at the roots and youll have your answer. The fruit? 10,000 volt anointings, strange occurances barking, roaring , laughing, shaking is the fruit. Want to take a bite? Many claim to be saved at Alpha but the jesus and the holy spirit Gumbel talks about is not the same as scriptures. A different gospel, a different Jesus, power encounters= the enemy has sucessfully moved into the Church and big time in Northview. My last visit there the atmosphere felt like a dark new age meeting with Gumbel talking on the TV monitors...if the people there only knew what they are being fed.

I will come back to Alpha later in the story.

I belong to a Yahoo ex-charasmtic web ring , its a place where people share their hurts, confusion and stories of being manipulated by these false teachers. There are couple of former Vineyard people in this group and they tell of the loose morals that was rampant in his Vineyard church. Guys would watch pornos and then go to church prophesying, dancing, speaking in tongues and then afterward they would go back to their sinful lifestyles. A lady wrote and said that if you tried to speak about God after church then you were mocked. It is very evident that what Keith and Melody saw in the 70's is still strong in the Vineyard today.

One ex-charasmatic wrote in saying his sister is into Unity ( New Age). His New Age sister actually likes Joyce Meyers and points out that essentially her teachings are New Age:

Hi, Laurel,

It is with much concern that I share my experience with you, as it pertains to Joyce Meyer Ministries. I'll try not to make it long; I

only want to point out that it is incredibly deceptive.

I have a sister who is into Unity (I'm sure that you can find all kinds of information on that "heretical/cultic sect" on the internet,

so I won't try to explain what all their heresies are. I only state that they are a mind/science, metaphysical, nonchristians group, who pray to the God within and create their own reality by willing it.

My sister recently (last week) asked me if I watch Joyce Meyer. I assured her that I do not, except that I have seen her briefly. My sister assured me that she does watch her, and the implication was that she is in agreement with what she (Joyce Meyer) says. She quoted

a statement that Joyce Meyer had made that was very much in concert with the beliefs and teachings of Unity. I don't remember the quote

but I do recognize that Word-Faith and the mind/science religions are, indeed, bed-fellows. They are hatched from the same pit. The things that they believe and teach are utterly heretical, without regard for their use of the same, or similar, terms and phrases, as bible-believing Christians. They, and that includes Joyce Meyer, believe that faith is a force and words are the containers of that force; if you say (it), in faith, you literally speak it into

existence. You create your own reality by the words of your mouth, thus Word-Faith. Why, you don't even need God! You only need faith! (Anthony Robins/ new age Chopra)

You can do the same thing God did when He created all that is, by the sheer exercise of His faith/force. Welcome to the "God class"! False,

false, false! Jesus said, "if you continue in my words, then you are my disciples, indeed, and you shall know the truth and the truth will

make you free"; FREE TO FOLLOW HIM, not Joyce Meyer or any of the myriad of "pied-pipers" that pipe their perversions.

Harold Parton

If you like John Hagee ( large, loud and in charge preacher from Texas) check this out-

a) He has been on Benny Hinn's stage as a welcomed guest.

b)He preaches Jews don't need Jesus, its a waste of time trying to convert them as they are under the Abrahamic Covenant

c)Promotes Health and Wealth gospel

d) Committed adultery, divorced and remarried.

Back the the Vineyard....

Brian Doerksen who wrote the song "Come, Now is the time to worship" was the music Pastor at Ellie and John's church in London and the story gets more dark as we go on from here.

Roy from from Kitchener, Ont